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6 hours ago, Black Panther said:

Realistically few if any of these boats/crew are up to a non stop passage from Tahiti to Europe via the Horn. That would be carnage. Most of them wouldn't have the range to sail back to Panama.  Can't  go north, can't go south,  cant stay put. 

What would you have done?

I think the next thing to happen will be a boat arriving and bypassing customs. 

I don't see how they would be 'stuck' in Tahiti? With a Carte de Seyjour, they could easily sail to Nuka Hiva or sail to the eastern Tuamotu for hurricane season, or even Hawaii to the north.

The issue (in the case of New Zealand) is not about safety and quarantine. It is about fairness to everyone. There are thousands of people who want to enter New Zealand. Some of them held valid entry visas, some are actually family (foreign wives and husbands) of kiwi citizens who are refused entry. It would seem unjust to allow a foreigner in only because they arrived by boat. As my shipmate has said....Allot of the complaints seem like calling Waaa! All these boats have the opportunity to Sail north or East out of the cyclone zone. In this case the Germans had been in Taiohae Bay. This is an excellent place to live out the cyclone season. I lived there aboard my sailboat for 10 months. The whiners are the people who are self centered and don’t want to be flexible. I’m not where I want to be right now and I sure as hell am not going to sail forth and push myself through borders. There seems to be two camps emerging. 1. Those who respect other countries’ laws and cultures and 2. Those who want to do whatever serves them.

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I don't see how they would be 'stuck' in Tahiti? With a Carte de Seyjour, they could easily sail to Nuka Hiva or sail to the eastern Tuamotu for hurricane season, or even Hawaii to the north. The

Well yes there sort of is rational and sort of a sh*t load of it. As noted they did ask to come and were told No so what did they do, they thought f*ck you new Zealand, f*ck your laws, f*ck the r

They want to come to NZ not because their son died, not because of weather problems, but because their broker says the yacht will sell more easily here. They left and buried their son in the uk,

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I can see boats being stuck in that area. Can't go to Hawaii at this time of year, its their cyclone season, and unless you are a US citizen or have a valid B1/B2 visa (for which you have to be in your own country to apply, and may have to have an interview) .

Although Cyclones are rare in Tahiti, or any part of French Polynesia, they do happen. (Nov-March) Going north at this time of year is not a great idea either, but can be done in 6-8 weeks if you are lucky. 

 

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20 minutes ago, Island Time said:

Although Cyclones are rare in Tahiti, or any part of French Polynesia, they do happen. 

 

The Germans were on Nuka-Hiva, chances of a hurricane there are nil. It's more likely to see allot more wind trying to get to New Zealand!

And the Eastern Tuamotu are almost nearly as hurricane free. You can get hull insurance in both places during hurricane season. The actuary tables on this sort of thing bear out the conclusion that these areas of FP are as safe places to be.

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3 hours ago, 2flit said:

I don't see how they would be 'stuck' in Tahiti? With a Carte de Seyjour, they could easily sail to Nuka Hiva or sail to the eastern Tuamotu for hurricane season, or even Hawaii to the north.

All one jurisdiction.  If their time was up they have to leave 

The issue (in the case of New Zealand) is not about safety and quarantine. It is about fairness to everyone. There are thousands of people who want to enter New Zealand. Some of them held valid entry visas, some are actually family (foreign wives and husbands) of kiwi citizens who are refused entry. It would seem unjust to allow a foreigner in only because they arrived by boat. As my shipmate has said....Allot of the complaints seem like calling Waaa! All these boats have the opportunity to Sail north or East out of the cyclone zone.

No, wrong. North isxinto the northern hemisphere hurricane zone, that season still hasn't ended . And if they went north what country? Canada closed. USA technically open but you would need a B1B2 visa which is not always possible and can take years. In fact I think you have to appear at a us consular office in person- is there one in French Polynesia?.

East is back to Panama which would be out of range for most boats.

In this case the Germans had been in Taiohae Bay. This is an excellent place to live out the cyclone season.

If their visas hadnt expired 

 

I lived there aboard my sailboat for 10 months. The whiners are the people who are self centered and don’t want to be flexible.

Have you met them?

 

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The official report mentioned that the Germans were in "unfortunate circumstances". So they been kicked out of NZ, may never be allowed to return, and had their boat confiscated, probably to be sold by customs, and they may receive none of the proceeds.  Seems pretty harsh to me.

 

 

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11 hours ago, Black Panther said:

 

Yes, The USA has a consulate in Papeete that is open. (This is actually where the Germans left from)

Sorry but departing north from Tahiti is a recommended time..... October-December Tahiti to Hawaii is a recommended time in "World Cruising Routes"

 

 

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2 hours ago, ex Elly said:

The official report mentioned that the Germans were in "unfortunate circumstances". So they been kicked out of NZ, may never be allowed to return, and had their boat confiscated, probably to be sold by customs, and they may receive none of the proceeds.  Seems pretty harsh to me.

 

 

The key word there is may. There are very few actual details associated with this story. It is not entirely clear what happened and what is going on now.

The previous statement from the govt stated cruisers risked having their boats confiscated. This is substantially different to shall or will

I don't get the impression this boat just turned up cause they felt like it. It sounds like they had no other options, or getting deported from NZ is the best of a bunch of bad options. And I do agree that if they were in "unfortunate circumstances" getting your boat confiscated would be very harsh.

But I would like to know some actual details. I wouldn't be surprised if the boat is detained for a long time, they have to jump through lots of legal hoops and muck around for 12 or 24 months, and they either get it back or are allowed to sell it privately, or something. I'd far prefer to be dealing with an NZ bureaucracy / justice system on this than the US Coast Guard, or some quality Central American country, or even the French to be honest.

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I've just re-read the original Herald story, don't normally read the Herald, and have questions around their level of accurate reporting. but:

It doesn't say they were deported. It says they were denied entry, and INZ were "arranging for them to be flown home on the next available flight".

There is a lot of tough sounding language for the INZ guy, but it is all "may", "risk" etc, not, "we have seized their boat and deported their sorry arses..."

Now, what happens if foreign crew level a foreign boat in an NZ Port? as in to fly home, quite the job etc. To get from the port to the airport, do they have to get a visa, clear customs, get a taxi to the airport and clear back out through customs?

Or is there some sort of waiver for foreign sailors to go from the port to the airport? Some sort of established international protocol? What I'm thinking here is the crew were 'denied entry into NZ, on a 6 month visitor visa, they were allowed to pass through NZ under strict controls to get a flight home'. But with an election on, the INZ guy is tasked with making it sound like he broke their arses, so as to not look soft in the media (and perhaps not to encourage others).

This way, cruisers could safely leave their boats in NZ, get a flight home and not impact on the whole "our borders are closed, you can't come and stay here" govt messaging.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?objectid=12368207&utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=nzh_fb&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR0RT-wAuSNtQVyHeIQmdcqR7RGaByR3u1e8W3aFQUQ7058dijGxZk5Yous#Echobox=1601099799

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