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I think this ‘close to home’ example demonstrates how slack the system is. It’s got more holes than a colander.

If I understand correctly a person visited Burnsco on Sunday (and was infectious at that stage) but the authorities only alerted the store on Thursday. That’s 4 days of potential surface contamination (remember the lift button that triggered the last cluster and L3 alert)?

And the cafe literally next door had 50-60 people in same afternoon to watch the game.... they had no alert or precautionary messages eg deep clean. Are we sure someone didn’t visit Burnsco next door before they sat down for a beer & the match?

I genuinely think there is a 50:50 chance we could be in another lockdown in the Suckland region around Christmas. That’s a deliberate typo btw.

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I know several of the people involved in this Auckland cluster. Covid test results in 30 hours.  People have got slack in level 1. Every business is still required to display a code. Even though

Its not hard to get the results if you give a sh*t. Takes less than 3 mins. Just phone your GP. Me and the missus got tested Friday night. My result was back by text 8:30 this morning, so 36 hrs

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See what I mean - this is a sh!tshow being run by a bunch of muppets. Seriously, we’re one more clusterf@ck like this from another lockdown. In which case I’m dropping all my previous law-abiding tendencies and jumping on my boat (assuming it ever arrives) and heading off out of Suckland.

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8 hours ago, It Got said:

We've been waiting 2 months, over I think, for one set and 3 weeks for the other.

I'm sure if this covid thing was serious we wouldn't be.

Its not hard to get the results if you give a sh*t. Takes less than 3 mins. Just phone your GP.

Me and the missus got tested Friday night. My result was back by text 8:30 this morning, so 36 hrs flat. My missus didn't get her text, and was getting in a flap, cause it was her fathers 80th today, and man that was target rich for high risk individuals. So I had a phone around, Auckland Regional Public Health said phone your GP, so I phoned my GP (on a Sunday morning) and got the result from the reception person. Literally took 3 mins.

In terms of criticism, the tracer app is a heap of sh*t. It requires manual use at all times to work. A covid card type thing with bluetooth proximity detection would be far better. Leave it in your wallet and forget about it. But I don't think a number in NZ can handle giving up their privacy so we all have a system that works. Best example, the brothel that is in the same building as Wright Technologies... mwahahaha. Apparently it is OK, cause they use separate entrances. The brothel clientele use the back door...

But overall, the systems are working. The ship worker knew he was high risk so was getting tested regularly. He was keeping a low profile, i.e. not going to super-spreader events like 21sts etc.

All contacts have been traced. So there is some mixed messages around the edges. yes, could be better. But it also takes personal responsibility.

How many people here actual scan in everywhere they go? I found one shop without a QR code, and immediately hit them up about it. Acceptance is approval. If you don't say or do anything, then you are part of the problem.

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10 hours ago, Fogg said:

I think this ‘close to home’ example demonstrates how slack the system is. It’s got more holes than a colander.

If I understand correctly a person visited Burnsco on Sunday (and was infectious at that stage) but the authorities only alerted the store on Thursday. That’s 4 days of potential surface contamination (remember the lift button that triggered the last cluster and L3 alert)?

And the cafe literally next door had 50-60 people in same afternoon to watch the game.... they had no alert or precautionary messages eg deep clean. Are we sure someone didn’t visit Burnsco next door before they sat down for a beer & the match?

I genuinely think there is a 50:50 chance we could be in another lockdown in the Suckland region around Christmas. That’s a deliberate typo btw.

Funny how you mention Christmas.The Towhanga or sometn\hing next to wifes work is clearing out there old stock(food bank) and getting new stock in for preparation of a lockdown in December/January

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10 hours ago, Fish said:

....and was getting in a flap, cause it was her fathers 80th today, and man that was target rich for high risk individuals. So I had a phone around, Auckland Regional Public Health said phone your GP, so I phoned my GP.....

This information is from John Hopkins University and is in line with all the peer reviewed studies that I have read. It is important that we realize the extremely limited validity of the PCR test that are used throughout New Zealand

In the report on the findings published May 13 in the journal Annals of Internal Medicine, the researchers found that the probability of a false negative result decreases from 100% on Day 1 of being infected to 67% on Day 4. The false negative rate decreased to 20% on Day 8 (three days after a person begins experiencing symptoms). They also found that on the day a person started experiencing actual symptoms of illness, the average false negative rate was 38%. In addition, the false negative rate began to increase again from 21% on Day 9 to 66% on Day 21.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news/newsroom/news-releases/covid-19-story-tip-beware-of-false-negatives-in-diagnostic-testing-of-covid-19

 

On even Day four of an infection.... There is a 67% chance of receiving a False Negative in this study.  Most of the studies I have seen have reported lower but still significant false negatives, this is especially true when the test is administered to casual as opposed to close contacts. Interestingly this is a diagnostic type of test and not what would normally be referred to as a 'screening' test and there fore (both false positives and false negative) results are predicated on the sample group. 

The take away is that a day-3 negative is far from a sure sign that you are safe to visit your 80 year old dad. This is the reason that all close contact (even with a negative test result) may be placed in self quarantine.

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42 minutes ago, 2flit said:

The take away is that a day-3 negative is far from a sure sign that you are safe to visit your 80 year old dad. This is the reason that all close contact (even with a negative test result) may be placed in self quarantine.

Yes, but the background is that I visited Burnsco the day before the positive case. The only symptoms me and my partner had could be at best described as very very mild hay fever. We weren't even a casual contact of a confirmed case. Hadn't crossed paths with a casual contact. Nothing. The only reason I phoned Healthline in the first place was the media stated a positive was at Burnsco last weekend. I phoned to see what day... and it grew arms and legs from there.

An abundance of caution. 

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On 25/10/2020 at 10:16 PM, Fish said:

Its not hard to get the results if you give a sh*t. Takes less than 3 mins. Just phone your GP.

Me and the missus got tested Friday night. My result was back by text 8:30 this morning, so 36 hrs flat. My missus didn't get her text, and was getting in a flap, cause it was her fathers 80th today, and man that was target rich for high risk individuals. So I had a phone around, Auckland Regional Public Health said phone your GP, so I phoned my GP (on a Sunday morning) and got the result from the reception person. Literally took 3 mins

It's not hard to guess who put a extra serving of snarky onto their morning weeties :)

 

 

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51 minutes ago, It Got said:

It's not hard to guess who put a extra serving of snarky onto their morning weeties :)

 

Just stating a fact KM, it takes all of 3 min to get your results. But of course if you do take some sort of personal responsibility and get your results, then you can't bitch about how hopeless the system is, ay?

PS, don't touch weeties, there is more energy in the milk that goes on them than the actual product, not to mention the tax dodging outfit that makes them.

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