Island Time 1,246 Posted March 26, 2014 Share Posted March 26, 2014 Pretty well thought out IMO... But a bit slow - maybe the 50 then? What do you guys think? Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 I always thought this was the ultimate monohull cruiser http://www.jpdick-yachts.com/ Different strokes I guess. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 there's always a compromise between destination comforts and getting there. You could spilt the aft berth with a lee cloth, or use the pipe cot when you need to stay kitted up Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,246 Posted March 27, 2014 Author Share Posted March 27, 2014 FNG, the aft doubles in Island Time split into two singles, the inside one dropping 10cm, and then divide with a leecloth. Gives 4 singles aft, all suitable as sea berths. IMO that is a great setup! Willow, that sure is a nice boat, with great performance! My comments for a cruiser are - on their demo boat - no dodger, no sun protection in cockpit, at least while sailing, traveler in cockpit (a nuisance, and can be dangerous for kids or non sailors). Also, I bet it cannot take the ground like the Allures 45 - that is a very useful feature in a cruiser. That said, I like it! Link to post Share on other sites
John B 106 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Interesting dodger on Willows boat eh. I met a couple at Barrier a couple or few years ago with an aluminium boat that was based on an ovni. He'd worked for them and then built his own boat. They'd been everywhere in it and it was super sorted ,very clean and uncluttered. Anyway I was impressed, We left thinking that it was pretty much a weapon and you could literally go anywhere in it, including shallower lagoons etc . Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 408 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 Yes the JP54 is way cool with a couple of exceptions-- she draws too much for all the interesting places, and weird engine for a world cruiser. Now a ply glassed version could be constructed quite economically.... Not sure about the sideways galley in the other one, we spend so much time on the wind down here, guess its fine in the trades. Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,600 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 From an interview with Rodger Martin: What do you feel is wrong with design today? What do you see as negative trends? The concept that a cruising boat should have a detuned replica of a race boat’s high aspect sloop rig. This rig is essentially designed for speed upwind. As soon as the wind comes aft it is inefficient without the addition of hard-to-fly sails. And pic of his ideas Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,600 Posted March 27, 2014 Share Posted March 27, 2014 What I see wrong with the two examples above is $$$$$$$$$. I don't know a cruiser who is not on a budget of some sort and even leaving purchase price aside what would the annual operating costs on those two be??? Here's the cheapest design (operating cost) i know of that i could live on http://www.ace.net.au/schooner/as192939.htm#as29 and its bigger sister http://mkstocks.tripod.com/boats/as39/ No haulout fees, one man operation to drop the mast without a crane, no deck jewellery, outboard engine - easy and cheap. Link to post Share on other sites
Clive 13 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 From an interview with Rodger Martin: What do you feel is wrong with design today? What do you see as negative trends? The concept that a cruising boat should have a detuned replica of a race boat’s high aspect sloop rig. This rig is essentially designed for speed upwind. As soon as the wind comes aft it is inefficient without the addition of hard-to-fly sails. And pic of his ideas Along the designs of the old Freedom 40 Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,246 Posted March 28, 2014 Author Share Posted March 28, 2014 Hey BP, "the ultimate cruiser" title means money is no object, does it not? A realistic cruiser is another topic entirely!! Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,600 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I didn't read it as that - I saw "best suited to the purpose". Link to post Share on other sites
Absolution 7 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 I'd vote for Stanley Paris' Kiwi Spirit.... http://www.cruisingworld.com/sailboats/ ... yman-morse Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,600 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Didn't it break down? Link to post Share on other sites
Absolution 7 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 Didn't it break down? Caught with too much rag up and damaged a sail or two but I think it was the skipper that broke in the end. Link to post Share on other sites
sow1ld 2 Posted March 28, 2014 Share Posted March 28, 2014 For me offshore cruising & full time live aboard it would be a deerfoot or a pogo50 or a shipman 63...if I was living in nz & racing the odd fiji race rnz etc cookson50 first50 marten 49 If I was living in Wellington and I had two small kids mortgage one income house cars rates etc it would be a deerfoot or a pogo no wait hang on dam daydream it would be the boat I have lol Link to post Share on other sites
smithy09 50 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Pogo 50... Now you're talking!! Nice boats.. half a mill Euros plus sails and instruments.. Say 1.2 million Kiwi? Link to post Share on other sites
Kestrahl 6 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 For me offshore cruising & full time live aboard it would be a deerfoot or a pogo50 or a shipman 63...if I was living in nz & racing the odd fiji race rnz etc cookson50 first50 marten 49If I was living in Wellington and I had two small kids mortgage one income house cars rates etc it would be a deerfoot or a pogo no wait hang on dam daydream it would be the boat I have lol Went sailing on a Sundeer 56 recently and in the light I think our Davo35 is faster, very under rigged and drags the stern, the stern is way underwater. We were only doing about half windspeed. Plus you have a tiny headsail and a massive main to deal with which is not ideal for the husband and wife. Raced on a Pogo class 40 and I imagine a cruising Pogo would be a exceptional boat. The chuck paine 62's are nice looking boats. Link to post Share on other sites
bushman 12 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 From an interview with Rodger Martin: What do you feel is wrong with design today? What do you see as negative trends? The concept that a cruising boat should have a detuned replica of a race boat’s high aspect sloop rig. This rig is essentially designed for speed upwind. As soon as the wind comes aft it is inefficient without the addition of hard-to-fly sails. And pic of his ideas This one wins ........ it's not a multi but at least you can get in close to the beach and study the sun bathers Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I don't think an ORMA 60 is designed for speed upwind, but can see the attraction of a basic sailplan. Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 We are talking Cruising aren't we?? My dream Cruising boat is one we rafted up to in the Sounds about 5yrs ago. A Mick Orchard Boat called "Trust". Fell head over heals for it. If only we had that kind of money. I could not believe the Room it had inside for it's size. Link to post Share on other sites
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