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Newish Beta 14hp diesel engine might be available @ 65% of new cost

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As I am becoming increasingly a bit of a greenie, I am considering changing to an electric inboard motor, which would mean no need for the Beta 14hp that came with the yacht I recently purchased.


So, I am putting the 'feelers' out there to see if anyone whom reads this board is interested in a top quality diesel engine.  It's only had somewhere between 60-80 hours use, and I just had it serviced a couple weeks ago with no issues apart from routine maintenance stuff.


The diesel was purchased new from 'The Engine Room'  in 2010 (whom also did the service mentioned above) but not first used until 2011 when boat relaunched. All receipts available.


These engines are $9500 incl. gst new and I'm wanting 65% of that - "that" being the engine and gear box for $6,000 and that is pretty much non-negotiable. If you can find a diesel of this Beta's quality and age at a cheaper price then good luck to you.


I am not selling the shaft as would need it for my electric conversion if I do go ahead with that. The control panel could be negotiated too at a reasonable price compared to what you would have to pay new.


Do note: All costs to remove engine would be for the purchaser to pay. The boat is currently on the hard at my place, so would have to figure out best way to lift it out. The engine weighs 90kg,

Beta 14 brochure.pdf

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this guy seems happy with his conversion so far




i wonder


- what it cost? 


- how many hours it took?


- how long it will last? as he seems to have intentionally under-spec'd his batteries


meanwhile seeing more and more elec. assit bicycles around central auckland, esp. slicing through the jammed commuter traffic at rush hour


fav. so far


the b52



unfortunately it sells for for more than 2 japanese import cars 


wonder what the nz designed elec farm bike will cost

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Well, I just worked out a near esstimate cost of getting the electric engine, the freight, and customs...it is no longer viable. The cost was astronomical.

So, am keeping the diesel unless I find $19K under my pillow all of a sudden from the tooth ferry.

Looks like I am going to be a diesel powered yacht for some time to come -- I do believe in the idea though. It's just a pity that NZ is so far away and to get anything down here costs an arm and a leg, plus the exchange rate is currently a bit shitty.

Oh well...

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replacing  a 14hp (100kg?) engine


with a leaf's 110hp (>218kg with battery) 


may not work out either


small yachts with small auxillary diesels


are already pretty green

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Add the weight of a tank, fuel and start battery and you're not far away from the electric equivalent and you have 24kwh battery and 8 times more power, way more than required in this situation obviously 


would probably suite a 40 plus foot boat


My motor is 48hp and weighs 297 Kgs then add the weight of fuel and tanks, electric starts to look like a viable option  

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I don't want to sound facetious, but sailing boats never used to have engines on them.

When they did start putting engines on them, they called them 'Auxiliaries'.


There are a few fairly clear practical issues with having an engine-less boat, primarily getting onto your mooring, worse so if you park in a marina, which makes sailing in just about impossible.


On that thought though, modern diesels are generally specified to be able to push a boat at hull speed into a reasonable breeze. Hence they are powerful and as such big and heavy.


If you are happy to forgo a level of service to be carbon neutral, i.e. not motor at hull speed into a 20 knot breeze, then you could go back to considering the specifications of what the old timers would call an 'Auxiliary'. If an auxiliary only need to be big enough to maneuver onto a berth, then that opens up considerably more options.


I'm thinking about how IT and BP managed to adequately tow Island Time from Gulf Harbour, up the Weiti river and onto the haul out trolley, etc, with what, a 3 Hp outboard?


There are now those electric outboards available. Substantially cheaper than a full electric motor set up, and possible quiet adequate for maneuvering around marina's and berths etc. I note a lot of the crazy fishos now have these little electric motors hanging off the bow of their boats, for stalking fish around rocks etc. So they are commercially available etc etc. Just a question of how fast you want to go and for how long?


If all you want to do is get out of the berth and hoist a sail, then they may be a good option.

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Not exactly correct fish, we towed her up with a 15 hp, but there was a minute in the river where it stopped, and David did manage to push her against the tide with a three! Slow, but moving...

About 4 knots possible with the 15 hp, an calm conditions.

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Ah, 15 hp to move your boat sounds a whole lot more plausible than 3 hp.


I guess the point I was trying to make was, if you are prepared to accept a 'lower level of service', I.e. Smaller, less powerful engine, then other opportunities for electric or green engine options open up.


That said, I had a very brief Google search for electric outboards and was a little surprised at how many very cheap options were about. Starting from about $250. They did look ridiculously small though...

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I remember doing nearly a whole year without an engine and didn't have a problem getting in and out at all. Just take a bit of planning that's all. Sometimes we had to get a bit creative to get out as we were parked on the old pile set up in Whg town basin, 2nd row in, but you learn pretty quick.

Just put a patch over the hole where the sail drive used to be and went sailing. (Argument with Volvo and the whole set up went back to them)

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Tesla has also rewritten the economics of making electric cars. 

It tackled high costs by stringing together hundreds of small, mass-produced laptop batteries.

Tesla claims that its power-packs cost half what big carmakers pay their suppliers for custom-designed large-format batteries



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now how would a electric motor go with running freezer?are these motors different to cars,cars seem to me you have to plug in to charge,what do you do with a electric boat motor when battery needs charging and your drifting?are they different and charge themselves through a alternator/generator? 


are there any ships running on them?if not there may lie the answer.

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if you had enough solar panels


feeding a big enough battery bank


your average weekend sailor could motor for 10 min


out of the marina, off the mooring etc.


then  sail for the day and still have enough battery for another 10 min motoring through a crowded anchorage to set the anchor


then back again the next day


hopefully 5 days of sunlight would put the energy back into the batteries for the next weekend


theoretically that all looks fine for the average summer sailor in auckland  


however life gets in the way


and if you want to run the elec fridge, car stereo etc. 


or it's an overcast winter


or you decide to go out midweek before reaching full charge etc


then you need to also carry a small petrol? backup elec gen to charge the batteries


where i was last living the winter was harsh


and full elec cars were in my idea a very, very bad idea


driving at night in subzero conditions you would often have the lights on


the heater on


the heater fan on 


the wipers on


rear demister on etc


my 4wd van had electrically heated seats and special heating pads in the windscreen to help defrost frozen wipers from the screen        http://i.imgur.com/zMIljOC.jpg


all of that


would be sucking driving range out of an elec car's batteries 


not much fun to have your car stop due to flat batteries when it's -10C outside


and you can't even put your hazards on!


plus in an all elec car you'd be brave to drive off the main roads in winter when you didn't have 4wd for the ice + hills

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I've considered doing the electric thing on my boat, but the deal-breaker for me is the scenario of: it's wet; it's late; it's blowing a 20kt westerly and we're off North Head and need to get to Hobsonville.

I just don't think that the tech as it stands is up to that.

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