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The Highlander 11 is similar in size and style, and I know these guys sell plans, because I've bought plans off them before. So has Clipper (the 4' Skylark, great for the kids)

The Highlander 11' Dinghy - this is a relatively new design with a beam of  5'2" and draft of 7"/3'1". Approx. weight is 105 lbs and Sail Area is 66 sq.ft.

The hull shape very much follows the original Highlander model with it's double chine, except that, in this case, we have gone for a plumb bow and transom and we have carried the 'V' bottom right through to the stern - this gives maximum internal space/volume for a given length of hull and makes a very practical family boat which is car toppable.

https://www.selway-fisher.com/Highup13.htm#HL

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PLANS for the PT SPEAR? 

No. We do not have plans for the PT 11.

 

Why not?

It would certainly be to our great advantage to have plans. Unfortunately, our boats don't lend themselves easily to being built from plans. 

Our kits are designed in CAD from the ground up as KIT BOATS. We have really taken advantage of the kit technology using tongues and slots, scribe marks and alignment notches. 

There are 7 hull panels that are put together without any sort of jig (except for the bulkheads and machined gunwales). If the panels are not super accurate, then the bulkheads would not fit.  

Our kits are machined from 5 different thicknesses of ply wood, to both make the boat as light as it can be for its strength and make building it easier. 

Our goal from the beginning has been to make this rather sophisticated little boat as easy as possible for anyone to build. To that end, we have written a very detailed, instructional manual that includes hundreds of photos. The  daunting task of writing a manual specific to, and adequate for, building from plans is one we cannot consider right now.

Will you ever have plans? 

We hope to one day design a simpler boat that could be built from plans but it would be a compromise.

 

Do you Ship Overseas?  NOT AT PRESENT

Ocean freight is actually not bad. It is the port and clearance fees (+fumigation in AU) that are the bummer. Shipments of 3 or more kits can make up the minimum LCL of 1 cubic meter and really spreads out the port and clearance costs. So think group orders addressed to a commercial entity if you can.  Find out what the import costs are in your country. We are also working on paper patterns to replace the lumber kit. This should exempt the kit from the need for fumigation. Recently, AIR FREIGHT has become a viable option as I continue to work with shipping agents.

 

Canada: 12% - 13% HST.  Contact me for more information. Perhaps you would like to tour the Olympic Peninsula! We can also ship to pick up locations on the US side of the border.

 

At some point we will establish distributors in Europe and Australia but right now I have not focused on setting someone up in other places.  
 

Here’s an opportunity for someone, do you ship out of the US ‘Knot Got’

I'd get the full kit including sailing rig, the two piece carbon mast with Laser style setup is perfect for stowage and setup from onboard

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Apparently the Hershoff H14 is very similar to the PT 11, there are line drawings and offsets (in old money) available here (link below), if you feel up to setting one out yourself. Wouldn't be that hard I would have thought. If you start with the bulkheads in the right shape, you can cut out the hull panels oversized and trim them in with a block plane. Basically design one yourself from a reasonable starting point.

Bottom of the page: https://www.duckworksmagazine.com/11/columns/austin/05/

CAD renderings here (need to scroll down a bit) http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?211858-Design-Plans-similar-to-PT11

It is fascinating the issues these (PT 11) are having with the shipping and export of the product. And the disclaimer around compliance with the USCG requirements for the boats. The trade war thing the Trump started certainly sounds like it is impacting these guys. Kind of different regulatory environment to what SME's seem to have to put up with in NZ.

 

 

H-14  X   PT 11 Dinghy - Lines.png

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The highlander 11 could work, I like the centre board setup, one more thing that can’t fall out, with a laser type rig it would work.

This would be my first build so the PT11 looked ideal, not that I’ve never built anything, I’ve built three houses from scratch and renovated or extended many so competent carpenter more than boat builder

But everyone starts with their first one I guess 

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23 hours ago, Fish said:

Sounds like the PT 11 would be a good fit for your specs?

2lift has one on his tramp, so will be able to comment on their suitability etc.

3.35 m (or 11 ft in old money)

http://www.ptwatercraft.com/ptwatercraft/PT11Description.html

Just came across this,

Anything you would like to know, glad to answer....

We have the full sailing rig w/carbon spars version.  At anchor in Whangaruru at present, but headed back to the marina in Opua by the 6th. Glad to show you the boat and let you have a row or sail after that (assuming you are in the area?  I've written the folks at PT WC  about the situation and if I get something back about international shipping and the current order stoppage... will report back

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Nuka Hiva to the Tuamotus (Rangiroaa) (5).JPG

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7 minutes ago, Priscilla II said:

Don’t prams tow like a blunt turd?

I'm not aware of that. Depends on the amount of V upfront. The Nutshells have a good deep vee. Other designs have a dead flat bottom panel right up to the bow, but with good rocker. The pram bow doesn't start until above the waterline, so only an issue if in waves, but us racked a fair bit, so not so much barge like.

My understanding is that they tow better than a deflatable...

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Been talking to Clipper

we are thinking about doing something similar to the PT11 

he wants the nesting and I’m keen on the fixed

get the panels cut then do the rest ourselves 

set them up so they take a laser radial rig

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35 minutes ago, Jon said:

Been talking to Clipper

we are thinking about doing something similar to the PT11 

he wants the nesting and I’m keen on the fixed

get the panels cut then do the rest ourselves 

set them up so they take a laser radial rig

Be keen too.

Some renderings from WBF.

RB having a moan about plagiarism crikey man it’s a boat...

http://forum.woodenboat.com/showthread.php?211858-Design-Plans-similar-to-PT11&highlight=pT11

 

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1 hour ago, Jon said:

Been talking to Clipper

we are thinking about doing something similar to the PT11 

he wants the nesting and I’m keen on the fixed

get the panels cut then do the rest ourselves 

set them up so they take a laser radial rig

If you've got the design sorted, I think it is straight forward cutting the panels yourself. Pencil lines marked with a curvy piece of wood, jigsaw then block plane down to the lines. The trick is getting the design right so you can get the 3D shape of the boat onto 2D (flat) panels and it all fits together. But if you do the design in a CAD platform, it is also straight forward to then get them cut out. Should make tricky details easier like getting the stem just right.

I really don't think it can be that hard designing a small boat, its just generally easier to buy plans because someone has already done that work. Be interesting to hear how you get on.

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Clipper has some crowd that cut the last one he did for a bottle of rum, he said it saved heaps of sanding as panels came out spot on.

Just need the cad plans now, if we did a few would really help with sourcing materials etc.

Interested in how the panels are joined if the dinghy s more than a ply sheet long, if you want 6mm ply do you cut the panels from 3mm and stagger the join and glue the two to make 6mm ?

or just join on a bulkhead and glass together with a beveled edge ?

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I agree re plans. I have bought 2 sets of plans and built 2 dinghies before. No matter what they cost, they are prob good value compared to doing it yourself. For me, there arn’t plans available for a sleek looking, nesting, sailing dinghy. I love the PT11, but that is a no go as either a kit or plans. I was. Very tempted by the woods duo, but it is just a bit basic/ugly for my tastes. Seems very close to what i was after though. 
 

https://sailingcatamarans.com/index.php/designs-2/46-beach-cats-and-dinghies/420-duo-10ft-sailrow-dinghy

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Maybe need to talk to Itgotknotme, if he brings in heavy stuff from the US there could be lots of room above it for some PT11 kits in the container ?

We all seem to be agreed that the PT is the best looking design to date.

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I’d like to see some testing numbers for puzzle  joints vs scarfing. Scarfing is actually extremely easy using a simple home made jig for your power planer, and makes a joint that is almost perfect with respect to maintaining the plywood’s bending strength in all directions. 

The last dinghy I did I simple scarfed two 2.5*1.55 sheets together end to end and cut all the planks from it.

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