aardvarkash10 1,105 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 33 minutes ago, Sabre said: Yes and TNZ is a brand. A good public image is something most brands protect at all costs. I'm guessing they are not targeting the NZ market on public image any more. Its not Air NZs name on the sail.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,767 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 I don't disagree Fogg, but it makes me seriously disinterested in the AC. I would have more respect for them if they said it's in NZ, tgese are the rules and this is our budget. Losing isn't the worst outcome of a yacht race. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 42 minutes ago, harrytom said: The Governments offer to TNZ expired today and are free to go do what ever they like.Minister Nash told Kerre Woodham on Newstalk this morning. I’m not sure if the actual NZ Govt offer itself expired or the period of exclusivity expired - meaning TNZ can now actively engage in discussions with others and try to do better? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Black Panther said: I don't disagree Fogg, but it makes me seriously disinterested in the AC. I would have more respect for them if they said it's in NZ, tgese are the rules and this is our budget. Losing isn't the worst outcome of a yacht race. Ok that’s a different operating principle. That’s saying that defending it at home trumps all other factors and everything else must be made to fit around that. And that would be a totally legitimate approach if TNZ decided to work to that principle. Or if the NZ Govt had said last time “If you win AC36 then you must defend AC37 it in NZ.” But it sounds like ‘bigger budget’ is a higher principle than ‘location’ hence the situation we have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 50 minutes ago, Sabre said: I wonder if their brand will still be worth $99m if things don't pan out overseas? You can be sure that when they declined the $99m they did so knowing they could do better elsewhere - it wouldn’t be a blind decision. But if they can’t get enough extra funding overseas then they might be forced to rethink and stay at home with a scaled-down plan after all. But that’s probably Plan C or D right now. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,767 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 32 minutes ago, Fogg said: Ok that’s a different operating principle. That’s saying that defending it at home trumps all other factors and everything else must be made to fit around that. And that would be a totally legitimate approach if TNZ decided to work to that principle. Or if the NZ Govt had said last time “If you win AC36 then you must defend AC37 it in NZ.” But it sounds like ‘bigger budget’ is a higher principle than ‘location’ hence the situation we have. I would present it as "bigger budget" vs " retaining respect" and that's a choice, and one that doesn't reflect well on TNZ. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 697 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 6 hours ago, Fogg said: I’m not sure if the actual NZ Govt offer itself expired or the period of exclusivity expired - meaning TNZ can now actively engage in discussions with others and try to do better? https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-sport/team-nz-rejects-govts-americas-cup-bid-0 "The offer expires today, 16 June. From tomorrow, Team New Zealand is now free to seek support from other partners." Nash said the Government wished the syndicate well. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/06/america-s-cup-odds-of-next-regatta-being-held-in-new-zealand-incredibly-low-concedes-minister-after-team-nz-reject-government-s-hosting-offer.html And as the government's exclusive negotiation rights with Team New Zealand expire on Thursday, the Kiwi syndicate can now begin talks with other potential host countries to stage the next regatta. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex Machina 390 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ainslie-may-get-chance-to-fight-for-americas-cup-in-home-waters-gn25tc23p Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barry 4 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 My understanding is the reason Alinghi took the cup to Valencia aside from financial gain was that the Deed states the racing must be held "on the sea, on the arm of the sea, or one which combines both". Just sayin. Switzerland did not meet the criteria. Just sayin. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex Machina 390 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 27 minutes ago, barry said: My understanding is the reason Alinghi took the cup to Valencia aside from financial gain was that the Deed states the racing must be held "on the sea, on the arm of the sea, or one which combines both". Just sayin. Switzerland did not meet the criteria. Just sayin. I just read elsewhere there’s a rumour Ernesto is buying the Italians boat #1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Addem 121 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 I’m disappointed as I feel that TNZ means it represents me. As do the All Blacks, Black ferns etc etc. But the reality is that sport is a business and the AB’s etc are owned by the Rugby Union not NZ. TNZ is owned by…? Surely NZYS? Mystery is what the governance structure is. There’s no doubt that overseas teams are owned by their backers (Ernesto, Larry etc). But TNZ? It’s sponsored by Emirates not owned by them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,105 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Addem said: There’s no doubt that overseas teams are owned by their backers (Ernesto, Larry etc). But TNZ? It’s sponsored by Emirates not owned by them? https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/582931?backurl=H4sIAAAAAAAAAE2OQQrCQAxFT2M2LiqCyyCi4MKiYr1AaKIOjDM1yai9vVVQXP7He%2FCrjs5iVUgc7oELxcqEtL3Mb7ha1MfddjRdjsdrpeRgTuo4m0AM1%2BA4nYEkD943nwKBmFXMNtI%2FsjJCl4ciLjMLQptLcu1%2F0rHv5D3ulFrhPSWJ6FoErm%2F9y0GeHSUWPoiV6IagOcqnXdQ1DK9XQRsnL%2FYFzeUf2AnBGF9X5COH5gAAAA%3D%3D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 8 hours ago, harrytom said: https://www.odt.co.nz/star-news/star-sport/team-nz-rejects-govts-americas-cup-bid-0 "The offer expires today, 16 June. From tomorrow, Team New Zealand is now free to seek support from other partners." Nash said the Government wished the syndicate well. https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/sport/2021/06/america-s-cup-odds-of-next-regatta-being-held-in-new-zealand-incredibly-low-concedes-minister-after-team-nz-reject-government-s-hosting-offer.html And as the government's exclusive negotiation rights with Team New Zealand expire on Thursday, the Kiwi syndicate can now begin talks with other potential host countries to stage the next regatta. You might be right. In some places it says the offer expires, in other places that the exclusive negotiating period between TNZ and NZ Govt expires. Either way, I expect TNZ will get a higher offer from elsewhere - which they may or may not go with. And if they did ever come back to NZ Govt and ask about the original $99m I'm sure the NZ Govt would happily give it to them to keep the cup in Auckland. Unless they had already spent the money on a cycle bridge..... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,105 Posted June 17, 2021 Share Posted June 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, Fogg said: And if they did ever come back to NZ Govt and ask about the original $99m I'm sure the NZ Govt would happily give it to them to keep the cup in Auckland. Unless they had already spent the money on a cycle bridge viewing platform..... There - just added $750m to the funding pool! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
muzled 140 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 57 minutes ago, aardvarkash10 said: There - just added $750m to the funding pool! while we're at it might as well cut pen link out as well and easily have a billion... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,767 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Fun irrelevant fact:penlink was first mooted in 1947. Guess we can wait a bit longer . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,105 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Black Panther said: Fun irrelevant fact:penlink was first mooted in 1947. Guess we can wait a bit longer . you would've been around t oconsult on it then wouldn't you? 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,767 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 I was born in 56 so the idea is 9 years older than me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 484 Posted June 18, 2021 Author Share Posted June 18, 2021 As a berth holder in Westhaven, bye bye cup, bring on the cyclebridge 👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Addem 121 Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said: https://app.companiesoffice.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/582931?backurl=H4sIAAAAAAAAAE2OQQrCQAxFT2M2LiqCyyCi4MKiYr1AaKIOjDM1yai9vVVQXP7He%2FCrjs5iVUgc7oELxcqEtL3Mb7ha1MfddjRdjsdrpeRgTuo4m0AM1%2BA4nYEkD943nwKBmFXMNtI%2FsjJCl4ciLjMLQptLcu1%2F0rHv5D3ulFrhPSWJ6FoErm%2F9y0GeHSUWPoiV6IagOcqnXdQ1DK9XQRsnL%2FYFzeUf2AnBGF9X5COH5gAAAA%3D%3D Hmm. Looks ominous. If GD does own TNZ then the Govt really shouldn’t give him $100m. Mind you they are giving similar amount to Amazon to film LOTR here on the basis that money=jobs. I’m still disappointed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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