syohana 37 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, 44forty said: What’s the weight of the 2KW with the battery ? The 2kw Torqeedo (5hp equivalent) motor is 15kg. The Combi is a bit heavier. You can use any suitable 24v battery. Lead acid batteries are cheap but heavy. Any size available. A Torqeedo 3.5kwh lithium battery is 25kg. A 5kwh Juice lithium battery made in NZ is 53kg. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
darkside 61 Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 Which is why as you can't plane any distance with the Torqeedo anyway why not just go super simple and light? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex Machina 365 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Deep Purple said: $15000 and 43kg, no thanks Whoa ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 11 hours ago, syohana said: We (electric boat co) can arrange for you to view and/or pick up a Torqeedo 1103c at the distribution warehouse in Auckland after lockdown ends. We have two units of our stock down there and no Torqeedos left in Kerikeri at the moment, just a Combi 2.5kw H-Thruster left up here and 5kw inboards. Anything else we can order in from overseas. Not sure when new stock is coming in yet. We'll give you a better price than anyone in Auckland. Shipping is expensive due to the lithium battery so Auckland pick up is a good idea if you can. Ok thanks for the offer. Let me do a bit more research and I’ll let you know if I want to take you up on the offer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 Ok, looks like the 1103C is the best option for me. To save me shopping the world and getting a friend in US or Europe buying + sending to me what’s your best price for the unit itself + carry bag + protective cover all inc? Or if you prefer to do via PM then drop me a note. Cheers Quote Link to post Share on other sites
syohana 37 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Fogg said: Ok, looks like the 1103C is the best option for me. To save me shopping the world and getting a friend in US or Europe buying + sending to me what’s your best price for the unit itself + carry bag + protective cover all inc? Or if you prefer to do via PM then drop me a note. Cheers Hi Fogg, Unfortunately there are a lot of middle men in the Torqeedo supply chain. Despite the apparently high price we have much tighter margins on Torqeedo than the brands we can import direct from the manufacturer and distribute ourselves. Please email sales AT electricboat.co.nz and we'll see what is the best we can do for you. We'll certainly beat any other NZ price though. Lithium batteries of that size require special and expensive shipping. Airfrieght is pretty much impossible. Then there's import duty, fumigation, GST, MPI costs on top and a ton of paperwork. I'm afraid importing it yourself is a big headache and won't save you any money once you add it all up. Thanks! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted August 30, 2021 Author Share Posted August 30, 2021 Ok thanks email sent. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,586 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 I await the outcome with interest. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 392 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Talking of outboards…. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 959 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 so many H&S infringements you just have to love it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 392 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 Did bicycles too… Maybe worlds first EEEEEEEEEEEEEE bike. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 959 Posted August 30, 2021 Share Posted August 30, 2021 omg - I'm in love!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MartinRF 53 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 When I studied electrical engineering some 40 years ago some mechanical engineer students built a ram-jet driven bicycle. Think Nazi buzz-bomb engine mated to bicycle frame. I never saw it in action but I heard it. It was VERY noisy. /Martin 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 392 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, MartinRF said: When I studied electrical engineering some 40 years ago some mechanical engineer students built a ram-jet driven bicycle. Think Nazi buzz-bomb engine mated to bicycle frame. I never saw it in action but I heard it. It was VERY noisy. /Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,586 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 https://www.sailingcinderella.com/diy-electric-outboard-sparky-jr-is-born?fbclid=IwAR1svAmkdcQg_wqtIxgO821c5l43wjtmBMB_xeOInvOQGNdkbTsICjSG7H0 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 399 Posted August 31, 2021 Share Posted August 31, 2021 For one of my boats we costed up the Cruise 20hp equivalent with Torqeedo battery when the weight went beyond a 20HP electronic four stroke Suzuki plus still the weight of the battery and cost neared $80000 and the Suzuki was $5000.00 odd -plus I can go as far as I like at full throttle my mind was made up. The boys at Beacon will do you a sharp deal on e-propulsion Fogg. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted August 31, 2021 Author Share Posted August 31, 2021 After a few days research I've decided to go with ePropulsion (still deciding on the Spirit Plus vs the slightly newer Evo). I spoke to a few people who have used both ePropulsion and Torqeedo and they both seem to be good quality units with their own pros & cons. The Torqeedo fans will point to it's German heritage and longer track-record. Whereas fans of the newer ePropulsion point out that the company originates from the same (Chinese) incubator that gave birth to DJI Drones (the world's largest & most successful drone company). And whilst newer, the early signs of ePropulsion are encouraging with several examples of design detail enhancements happening quite quickly in response to customer feedback being listened to. In terms of side-by-side comparison the points that swung it to ePropulsion for me: 1. Bigger battery (40% more) 2. Longer-run time (50% more) 3. Faster charge time (about 20% better I think) 4. Cheaper 5. A couple of cool innovative features e.g. the battery floats in case you accidentally dropped it into the drink! And finally, I have a lot respect for this guy who reviews a lot of high quality gear (anchors, dinghies, charging systems, outboards etc). And his initial experience with ePropulsion has been great. And I talked to him overnight and he confirmed that after more time it's still all as good as it looked & operated on day 1. So if it's good enough for him it's good enough for me! 1 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,586 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Thanks to lockdown I watched that video. They certainly seem to have resolved any complaints about range and recharging. Now it's just price. Some of the numbers offered in this thread look a little off. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted September 1, 2021 Author Share Posted September 1, 2021 The price of the unit I have my eye on (above) is around $3,600. Which is a hefty price for a small ~3hp unit and not to everyone’s taste. But to me the premium is worth paying to get the lightness and ease of use (especially for rest of my family who are not confident using a pull chord to start a petrol outboard). So for me the justification is that I’m not comparing like-with-like, I’m buying a totally different animal. Even better, for the reasons of ease of use, it has family approval to spend the $ and they’re looking forward to trying it! 😊 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,586 Posted September 1, 2021 Share Posted September 1, 2021 Sometime this summer we should share an achorage so i can have a look. Assuming we eventually get released from purgatory. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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