MartinRF 71 Posted September 18, 2021 Author Share Posted September 18, 2021 Banned according to the care label. I have destroyed another jacket by not studying the care label (until afterwards). That time a washed in 40 C (label said 30 C) and tumble dried (label said not). I don't which part of this killed the waterproofing. Right now I am subjecting this jacket to to a mild (35 C) heat treatment. Then I hope for some real rain to test it. /Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 What do the Swedish fishermen use up there? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
SloopJohnB 329 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 fiskare vän Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Toltec 7 Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 A few years ago I did a lot of racing on Fully Charged out of Tauranga. We did a lot of coastal sailing wet weather gear was watertight for about a year so bought a few sets.We ended up going to the Kaiwaka gear hard wearing not as comfortable but water tight for quarter of the price and you can spend the change on merino to keep warm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MartinRF 71 Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 13 hours ago, Fogg said: What do the Swedish fishermen use up there? I am not up-to-date with what they use today but when building my boat my building buddy was involved in a research project looking into the work environment for fishermen. His part was about sea-kindliness and how ship movement wore down the bodies of fishermen. Another group was looking into foul weather gear. They did look into new, high-tech materials but soon dismissed them. The solution (back then) that worked best was the PVC-coated stuff with good design taking care of ventilation. I did my military service in the Swedish navy a couple of years prior to that and the navy foul weather gear was also of the PVC-coated variety. Very well designed when it came to the protection although I don't remember any wrist seals so maybe not ideal for sail racing. Neither do I remember any provisions for ventilation but then it was more important to stay warm and dry while on look out duty while we were bouncing from wave top to wave top in a winter storm. Cold war tech was not always super sophisticated but powerful engines were definitely in fashion... /Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,767 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 I never did find out how long my old line 7 gear might have lasted. It froze one particularly cold night in the PNW and snapped. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 364 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 15 hours ago, MartinRF said: Cold war tech was not always super sophisticated but powerful engines were definitely in fashion... Such as this MTB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MartinRF 71 Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 No, I am not that old. Those MTBs were retired well before my time. One of these: Also retired. The remaining ones are used for taking paying guests on joy rides in protected waters in summer. There are tons of amateur videos on youtube. /Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dtwo 157 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 On 19/09/2021 at 9:37 PM, Black Panther said: I never did find out how long my old line 7 gear might have lasted. It froze one particularly cold night in the PNW and snapped. Ha, mine shrank in a fire in my flat in Antibes. Ended up about large envelope size - coat and leggings 8>( Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brien 22 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I still have an offshore set Of PVC purchased for a Noumea Race 1984 hanging in my garage. Looks OK but last time I tried it on it had shrunk too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 What do the big-budget sponsored offshore racing guys use for the S Ocean? Surely they’ve got it sorted by now at that end of the scale (money no object)? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 364 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Fogg said: What do the big-budget sponsored offshore racing guys use for the S Ocean? Surely they’ve got it sorted by now at that end of the scale (money no object)? Usually Musto, sometimes Helly Hansen, but can depend on who is a sponsor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 And are they happy with it i.e. does this kit work? Maybe you have to pay top $ but I struggle to believe that literally nothing works at all at being both dry & breathable! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,767 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Works but only lasts one race if you're lucky? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MartinRF 71 Posted September 21, 2021 Author Share Posted September 21, 2021 Last time I heard about his, which was many moons ago, they got custom kits, not what is sold over the counter. /Martin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex Machina 390 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Fogg said: And are they happy with it i.e. does this kit work? Maybe you have to pay top $ but I struggle to believe that literally nothing works at all at being both dry & breathable! Have heard from a shore crew from a Volvo race that they binned their gear at the end of each leg . Won’t say what brand but a full kit of same brand will set you back nearly 3k . So that means it’s good for a month of continuous use , which I guess equates to a season or two of amateur use . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 20 minutes ago, 44forty said: Have heard from a shore crew from a Volvo race that they binned their gear at the end of each leg . Won’t say what brand but a full kit of same brand will set you back nearly 3k . So that means it’s good for a month of continuous use , which I guess equates to a season or two of amateur use . That’s awful. Can’t believe this is the first I’ve realised this. So are we all saying that the marine wet weather gear market is effectively a scam? What’s the story with other sports that have similarly high demands for warmth & dryness eg serious mountaineering? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex Machina 390 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 38 minutes ago, Fogg said: That’s awful. Can’t believe this is the first I’ve realised this. So are we all saying that the marine wet weather gear market is effectively a scam? What’s the story with other sports that have similarly high demands for warmth & dryness eg serious mountaineering? High end wetsuits are the same . Every season there’s a more flexible neoprene with unobtainium lining etc but they crap out pretty quick . Waterproof the first winter , leaking the second winter and buggered on the 3rd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,767 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Lots of good marketing though 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The big T 45 Posted September 21, 2021 Share Posted September 21, 2021 Have a set of Musto which has done a Volvo - hand me up from my son. Good as gold apart the neoprene collar and ends of sleeves. And I've thrashed it since then - about 6 years more. Good gear. Simple though - more a smock with a front pocket and no bullshit stuff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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