Psyche 528 Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 6 hours ago, harrytom said: No issue on customary rights.the issue is fishing in areas that will)maybe locked off to others the reason to lock out is to increase or give stock a chance to recover if they are allowed to harvest then object not being achieved Ok so you acknowledge the legal basis for the decision but are questioning why it ignores the environmental reasons. I cant answer that but I can speculate, by luck or circumstances I think its irrelevant since most of the fishers in the gulf do not appear to be iwi. So their recreational impact is relatively insignificant in comparison to non-iwi. The danger here is the conversation getting dragged into the political arguments etc but I think if it was proven than iwi were having detrimental effect to fishing stocks then I would expect a review. As it stands commercial fisherman and people who routinely exceed their limits in the weekend spanish armada of tinnies and launches that invade the gulf. NZ's biggest city plus massive boat ownership, a fishing culture and a highly polished fishing paraphernalia industry has put enormous pressure on a very limited area. Over the weekend the thought occurred, why not just ban fishing over spawning season at least for the commercial guys Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 618 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 My interpretation is.If allowed to fish(iwi) in marine protected zones then thats means they can go and hammer goat island if the wanted to.Customary rights?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 618 Posted October 30, 2022 Share Posted October 30, 2022 On 25/10/2022 at 8:08 PM, Kevin McCready said: C'mon Harry. Have another look. They're not vigilantes; it's a joint project with MPI etc. As for the young man he impressed me. I don't know if you've ever done a standup media interview - it's not easy but he did well. He appears to be a qualified skipper which is not an easy ticket to get and he's had 5 years experience with the Harbourmaster and knows about de-escalation techniques. Tell me what more you'd want to see. It's also a pilot project so let's hope it goes well. All power to their arm I say. Here you go Kevin .The fishary act 1996 218Production of warrant to be sufficient authority to act The production by a fishery officer, honorary fishery officer, or examiner of a warrant issued to him or her under section 198, or the production by a high seas fishery inspector of evidence of his or her identity and of the fact that he or she is a high seas fishery inspector, is, until the contrary is proved, sufficient authority for the officer, examiner, or inspector to do any thing that he or she is authorised by this Act to do. Section 218: substituted, on 1 October 2001, by section 21 of the Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Act (No 2) 1999 (1999 No 103). 219Persons to assist fishery officer or high seas fishery inspector (1) Any fishery officer or high seas fishery inspector exercising any of the powers conferred on him or her by this Act may do so with the aid of such assistants as he or she considers necessary for the purpose. (2) All persons called upon to assist any fishery officer or high seas fishery inspector in the exercise of any of the powers conferred on him or her by this Act are hereby authorised to render such assistance. Compare: 1983 No 14 s 81 Section 219 heading: amended, on 1 October 2001, by section 22 of the Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Act (No 2) 1999 (1999 No 103). Section 219(1): amended, on 1 October 2001, by section 22 of the Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Act (No 2) 1999 (1999 No 103). Section 219(2): amended, on 1 October 2001, by section 22 of the Fisheries Act 1996 Amendment Act (No 2) 1999 (1999 No 103). (219) would not be sufficient for IWI to operate as inspectors unless warrented inspector is onboard said vessel?? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 618 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Legasea celebrates ministers decision. legasea.co.nz/2022/11/01/minister-ensures-more-fish-in-the-water/?fbclid=IwAR0RxJA7EDOYxIsN59A2Wm4-ONr5v1936nluLyZ7uUGV0TOLLw37NBbQjNs We’re celebrating Minister David Parker’s choice to drop controversial changes to fisheries legislation that would threaten sustainability of crucial fish species. The Oceans and Fisheries Minister has announced he will pull out pre-set decision rules from the Fisheries Amendment Bill currently sitting in Parliament. He cited one of the reasons why he pulled the pre-set decision rules from the Bill was due to the fact it would heighten distrust in decision-making and our fisheries management system. To add to the good news, the Minister intends to proceed with the other changes in the Bill that enable monitoring cameras aboard commercial fishing vessels from November 2022. Earlier in the year more than 6,000 people used LegaSea’s online submission form to support the Minister in pulling out pre-set decision rules. We want to thank everyone who made a submission to ensure our fish populations are thriving for the future. The Minister caught wind of public concern around pre-set decision rules and after careful consideration he issued a Supplementary Order Paper to delete the proposed rules from the Bill. It gives great comfort to know this Minister is alive to the concerns of the public and makes decisions that put the marine environment and public first. Pre-set decision rules are typically used to maximise commercial catch when abundance increases. Often this applies to a single species and fails to take into account associated species and the wider ecosystems. Pre-set decision rules are both a cost cutting measure and a means for officials to push the Minister out of the way, to continue a partnership with commercial interests. Implementing pre-set decision rules would have been a huge loss for more fish in the future. We’re so glad the Minister did the right thing.LegaSea and the New Zealand Sport Fishing Council are committed to ensuring the public understands what pre-set decision rules are and what happens if they are used in our fisheries. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 618 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Did or has anyone encountered the "IWI' fisheries patrols over the xmas break?? I didnt but did have a visit real fisheries,good buggers too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I was stopped in the Kaipara, while doing a channel edge cruise, seeing and marking just where any off shoot channels were for future use. A flash (a state of the art, every bell and whistle fitted) $$$$ ?? fizz boat headed my way, they had to come alongside as my ears don't work so well when i'm sailing by myself. It was a fisheries patrol. 2 guys and a woman, they were surprised to see a yacht in the Kaipara, they didn't think there were any! I wasn't of interest to them as I wasn't fishing. Very tidy, uniforms etc. Nice and friendly, but I could imagine that could change rapidly if you had transgressed in any way. They then zoomed off to continue their patrol. I'm not sure where they are based, or whether they were all professional fisheries officers or a mix of professional and volunteers. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 111 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 I see the Coromandel Scallop fishery is now closed indefinitely for commercial as well as the previous recreational , its a good move , but why do we often seem to wait until a fishery is near collapse before acting ? This sits alongside the high court ruling that affected CRAY 1 catch limits, its good to see NGO's holding Gummint agencies accountable for allowing unsustainable catch limits and practices, now we just need to ban trawling in the gulf. ". The key finding of the Court was that the advice provided to the Minister about the effects of rock lobster fishing on the aquatic environment, particularly with regard to the formation of kina barrens, was not consistent with the best available information." Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 618 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 The only open scallop beds are in the manukau for how long?? Who knows Why ban trawlers when reccs in the gulf take 3 times what comms take Trawlers operate over same grounds They don't move and plough new grounds.Check out Sanford's Facebook on trawling. Not a fan of comms but we do not have a right to fish. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 618 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 The minister shall allow an allowance for recreational but there is nothing written anywhere that we have a right or birth right to extract. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 On 26/01/2023 at 11:29 AM, Steve Pope said: I was stopped in the Kaipara, while doing a channel edge cruise, seeing and marking just where any off shoot channels were for future use. A flash (a state of the art, every bell and whistle fitted) $$$$ ?? fizz boat headed my way, they had to come alongside as my ears don't work so well when i'm sailing by myself. It was a fisheries patrol. 2 guys and a woman, they were surprised to see a yacht in the Kaipara, they didn't think there were any! I wasn't of interest to them as I wasn't fishing. Very tidy, uniforms etc. Nice and friendly, but I could imagine that could change rapidly if you had transgressed in any way. They then zoomed off to continue their patrol. I'm not sure where they are based, or whether they were all professional fisheries officers or a mix of professional and volunteers. I have since found out that the fisheries Dept. fiz boat is based in Whangarei, trailered to the Kaipara, does its run and is then trailered back to Whangarei 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 618 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 3 minutes ago, Steve Pope said: I have since found out that the fisheries Dept. fiz boat is based in Whangarei, trailered to the Kaipara, does its run and is then trailered back to Whangarei With your probing for channels may if thought you were looking for scollies as it's closed too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 10 hours ago, harrytom said: With your probing for channels may if thought you were looking for scollies as it's closed too. No Scallops where I was, they were just curious that a sailing boat was in the Kaipara. Having to work the tides though, 20 minutes through the funnel (Tinopai) with the tide, 2 + hours against the tide on return, motor sailing, couldn't make headway under the head sail, Without the engine it would an anchor and await the change of tide. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 111 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 21/03/2023 at 7:21 AM, harrytom said: The only open scallop beds are in the manukau for how long?? Who knows Why ban trawlers when reccs in the gulf take 3 times what comms take Trawlers operate over same grounds They don't move and plough new grounds.Check out Sanford's Facebook on trawling. Not a fan of comms but we do not have a right to fish. I agree broadly with those points, recreational fishing needs to do its part too 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 618 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 25 minutes ago, Frank said: I agree broadly with those points, recreational fishing needs to do its part too I believe we should pay a licence fee and that money would pay for more fishary officers. Haven't seen one at our ramp for almost 2 yrs 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 48 Posted March 22 Share Posted March 22 On 21/03/2023 at 7:24 AM, harrytom said: The minister shall allow an allowance for recreational but there is nothing written anywhere that we have a right or birth right to extract. Being at the head of food chain we think because we can we will. Human entitlement. Rec take is vastly underestimated and should be cut. Trophy fishing should be banned or tag only. Licence all fishers and mandatory course for tag/release. Transgressions, take more boats. Commercial scale, lock them up. Time to respect our planet. 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 618 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 7 hours ago, Guest said: Being at the head of food chain we think because we can we will. Human entitlement. Rec take is vastly underestimated and should be cut. Trophy fishing should be banned or tag only. Licence all fishers and mandatory course for tag/release. Transgressions, take more boats. Commercial scale, lock them up. Time to respect our planet. We take if legal,no throwing back due to the risk of barotrauma,yes niwa has done a study and result released later this yr. The youtube clip doesnt show depth but fish swim away I believe sub 10m. This one from Aussie well worth watching and legasea and co,say its not snapper and dismiss it. https://fishingworld.com.au/videos/how-to-videos/video-barotrauma-in-golden-snapper/ Trophy hunters need to be shot.Yes be great to join the 20lb club but not to mount but would given to a family in need like most of our catch. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 48 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 Not unfamiilar. Barotrauma is only one facit of bad outcomes from release. But you have to start some where to wean the evolutionary challenged from their "thrill of chase". 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 618 Posted March 23 Share Posted March 23 And then there's those ho claim to be GUARDIANS of the sea and abuse their power with CUSTOMARY rights. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/east-coast-father-daughter-duo-sentenced-for-black-market-crayfish-poaching-ring/K42XUTKRWJEKJADJU4VAXJ7DBA/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Cameron 69 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I think if we really want to help rebuild the fish stocks you would completely rewrite the rules... No minimum size. Maximum total number of fish. No throwing back. Once you have caught your limit...No more fishing. Before you say I'm crazy... stop and think about it. I believe the mortality rate on released fish is fairly high... So this stops the killing of many fish on the way to your current limit of 7 Snapper. It will cause fishermen to adjust techniques to minimise catching small fish. However I don't think that will ever happen... So another change that I think could make quite a difference is ban barbed hooks.... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 528 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 8 minutes ago, Cameron said: ban barbed hooks.... Yes! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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