aardvarkash10 1,065 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 5 hours ago, harrytom said: If we paid a fee then we can say we are STAKE holders.At the moment we are given a cursory amount even though the Minister must allow for recreational catch. We do not have a birth right to catch fish!! Part of the attraction of the colonies in the 17- and 1800s was that nobility didn't own the hunting grounds, rivers and seas. So a very real part of our history was the arrival of people who looked forward to a right to hunt and fish for food. Maori had already established that right in their tikanga. So we definitely DO have a birthright in the ability to hunt and fish for food. The question is how to manage that without reverting to the aristocracy of old Some would say that quota holders are the new aristocracy. I couldn't possibly comment. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 157 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 16 hours ago, SloopJohnB said: Greed is the downfall of the human race. Wherever man goes war follows and a 6 metre all aluminium extreme fishing powerboat on a tandem axle trailer with a 250 hp outboard and 24 rocket launchers. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,691 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 I doubt whether I have caught as many fish in my entire life as one set of a commercial net. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 678 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 4 minutes ago, Black Panther said: I doubt whether I have caught as many fish in my entire life as one set of a commercial net. The average set/haul in the gulf is not as high as you may think average is about 150kg of fish lot of effort for little return. I think deep sea like the orange fleet they would be in tonne per trawl. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,691 Posted March 26, 2023 Share Posted March 26, 2023 Similar order of magnitude. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 678 Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Once again legasea blaming trawlers https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2023/03/increasing-number-of-snapper-caught-in-hauraki-gulf-suffering-from-starvation.html?fbclid=IwAR3EBOSDIlAYbFtpQJwRbjsQ2x5RFFaPVBxlrxyegjoMJG7l3ENSmYzjXFU We had the oppurtunity in 2015 to change but NO legasea were against reccs reporting catch https://www.sanford.co.nz/assets/Press_Release_Hauraki_Gulf_-_issued_28_October_2015.pdf Have only ourselves to blame. https://legasea.co.nz/2017/04/05/feasibility-of-reporting-recreational-catch/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 678 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 On the weekend ,Greenpeace held their "Ban the Trawler protest for the gulf. Where were "Legasea"?? being their non political selves. Under the umbrella of NZSFC cant be seen at or organise protests. Just read the National party Fishing policy. In the next 10yrs to double output from Aquaculture. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 157 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 You have a point there harrytom LegaSea presents a spurious argument against the idea of reporting recreational catch, it seems whats good for the Commercial Fisherman should not apply to the recreational one ..... hypocrisy ? Quote" To throw away a tried and true method of estimation in favour of something that may never produce what we are hoping for seems foolish and irresponsible. Millions have been invested in developing our current method and to walk away from that would be a terrible waste of valuable resources." A Tried and True method of estimation" seems like an oxymoron and the defense of the current method based on the "millions spent on it" seems like a Sunk Cost fallacy ie we have spent so much on it now that we must continue so as to justify all that expense. https://legasea.co.nz/2017/04/05/feasibility-of-reporting-recreational-catch/ 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 678 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 On 26/04/2023 at 6:55 AM, Frank said: You have a point there harrytom LegaSea presents a spurious argument against the idea of reporting recreational catch, it seems whats good for the Commercial Fisherman should not apply to the recreational one ..... hypocrisy ? Quote" To throw away a tried and true method of estimation in favour of something that may never produce what we are hoping for seems foolish and irresponsible. Millions have been invested in developing our current method and to walk away from that would be a terrible waste of valuable resources." A Tried and True method of estimation" seems like an oxymoron and the defense of the current method based on the "millions spent on it" seems like a Sunk Cost fallacy ie we have spent so much on it now that we must continue so as to justify all that expense. https://legasea.co.nz/2017/04/05/feasibility-of-reporting-recreational-catch/ Well "Farnk" yesterday I made a comment on the "Legasea" facebook page and now have no access to them,not the first to cop such a ban,dont like peoples view points if it goes against there thinking. They are the ones who want public funds so surely public input is important,right or wrong? There many good ideas around from both commercial and recreational but it seems its all left to few people running "legasea" and its there way or no way. Oh the comment. They were saying how much free fish heads have been given away and I read recently how "sanfords" had donated x amount to the project. No mention by "legasea" of "Sanfords" generosity, and merely pointed it that they should be thanked as well. Never mind each to their own. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 678 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 Proposed temporary fisheries closure of Great Barrier Island (Aotea Island) and nearby islands Tēnā koe, The Motairehe Marae Trust, supported by iwi trust board Ngāti Rehua Ngātiwai ki Aotea, has requested a temporary closure to the harvest of scallops, pāua, and rock lobster, from the fisheries waters within 3 nautical miles of: Great Barrier Island (Aotea Island) Little Barrier Island (Te Hauturu-o-Toi) the Mokohinau Islands Simpson Rock and Horn Rock. The request is for a 2-year closure. After the request was made, the Northland Scallop Fishery (SCA 1) and Coromandel Scallop Fishery (SCA CS), which include the proposed area, were closed to commercial and recreational scallop fishing under section 11 of the Fisheries Act 1996. The Motairehe Marae Trust Board wish to continue with their request to prohibit the harvest of scallops, pāua, and rock lobster to establish their tino rangatiratanga in the decision-making process. The closure request and map can be found at the links below. The letter from the Motairehe Marae Trust requesting the closure Map of the proposed closure area Related Great Barrier Island Controlled Area Notice The proposed area includes a Controlled Area Notice that Biosecurity New Zealand placed on Great Barrier Island to minimise the spread of exotic Caulerpa species. This includes Blind Bay, Tryphena Harbour, and Whangaparapara Harbour. A temporary closure would have no effect on any Caulerpa Controlled Area Notice. The Controlled Area Notice is in place until 31 October 2023. Controlled Area Notice for Great Barrier Island Your views sought Fisheries New Zealand invites written submissions about the proposed closure from people who have an interest in the species concerned or in the effects of fishing in the area concerned. Making your submission The closing date for submissions is 5pm on 21 August 2023. Email your submission to FMSubmissions@mpi.govt.nz While we prefer email, you can post your submission to: Spatial Allocations Fisheries Management Fisheries New Zealand PO Box 2526 Wellington 6140. Please pass this on to anyone that may be interested. Nāku noa, nā Recreational Fisheries Fisheries Management | Fisheries New Zealand – Tini a Tangaroa Charles Ferguson Tower | PO Box 2526 | Wellington | New Zealand Web: fisheries.govt.nz Contact us about Recreational Fisheries recreationalfisheries@mpi.govt.nz Get the free NZ Fishing Rules app – Apple or Android Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 678 Posted July 6, 2023 Share Posted July 6, 2023 No mention of stopping Customary rights? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ex Elly 221 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Bottom trawling restrictions in Hauraki Gulf and tripling of marine protection areas Prime Minister Chris Hipkins confirmed this morning the Government will restrict bottom trawling in the Hauraki Gulf and nearly triple the area under protection. Establishing new marine protection areas and a ban on the controversial fishing method are a major step towards protecting the Hauraki Gulf for future generations, Hipkins said in Auckland. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/chris-hipkins-confirms-bottom-trawling-restrictions-in-hauraki-gulf-and-tripling-of-marine-protection-areas/WRTVSE2Q7JCZ5GSZTZOXKMSRTE/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K4309 353 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 3 hours ago, ex Elly said: Bottom trawling restrictions in Hauraki Gulf and tripling of marine protection areas Prime Minister Chris Hipkins confirmed this morning the Government will restrict bottom trawling in the Hauraki Gulf and nearly triple the area under protection. Triple of nothing is still nothing. There needs to be a complete ban on bottom trawling across the Gulf. That, and this is just an announcement. Wont be passed into Law before the election. We are commercially catching bait fish, in the order of hundreds thousands of tonnes, and exporting it to the Ivory Coast. At $2.30/kg. But no-one can work out why our snapper are starving (the milky white flesh issue). The only reason they can say dredging and bottom trawling doesn't damage anything, is because they have already destroyed everything. But it ain't going to grow back if they keep on doing it. 1. There has been a 100% reduction in wild mussels. It’s well documented that 500 km2 of mussel beds were destroyed in the 1960s by commercial dredging. The only remaining wild mussels are found in the intertidal zone. 2. The commercial harvest of blue mackerel has increased by 470% since the park was established in 2000. Between 2016-19 the commercial industry extracted a staggering 9,000 tonnes of blue and jack mackerel from the Park. 3. There has been a 57% reduction in the population of jack mackerel and a 32% reduction in other small pelagic species. 4. And, 376 tonnes of pilchards are harvested annually from the park. Individually, each of these statistics is alarming. But the real concern is the fact that these species are the food sources for seabirds, mammals, john dory, kingfish, kahawai and, of course, snapper. Without these keystone species, the ecosystem will be dramatically different, or species will cease to exist altogether. So, what do we do with the vast amount of mackerel that is bulk harvested every year? We export it frozen and unprocessed to Ivory Coast, Philippines and China for an average price of $2.30 per kilo. Is it worth starving our snapper for $2.30? Why are our snapper starving? | The Spinoff 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 678 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Bottom trawling will not be banned or stopped Sanfords are negotiating with Aotearoa fisheries to take over Sandfords bulk trawling in the gulf. The Government will need to re negotiate the Treaty which was signed off only a few years ago that give Maori around 75% of fishing rights through the sealord deal. There is no bottom trawling in the inner gulf now,the line is Waipu to Cape Colville If this Government or any Government is serious about the gulf.There would be a 5yr moritorium for all,no fishing. It is a National park the Hauraki gulf(marine park) why can you take from a national marine park but cannot extract or remove any fauna etc from a land based national park? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,691 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 3 hours ago, K4309 said: Triple of nothing is still nothing. There needs to be a complete ban on bottom trawling across the Gulf. That, and this is just an announcement. Wont be passed into Law before the election. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K4309 353 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Black Panther said: What are you trying to say by posting that BP? Whilst the bill will be introduced to Parliament, it wont be passed before the election. That means it is a big waste of time. Hot air. All talk. On the area protected, of the 17 areas, only 5 are seafloor protection areas. The specific area of those 5 seafloor protection areas aren't given. Two areas are just tweaking of existing marine reserves. That, and protecting 18% of the Gulf means there is 82% available for bottom trawling. Maybe I should be thankful something is happening? 1) Nothing is happening, cause it wont be passed into law before the election. This is just another 'good intention, like building 10,000 houses and fixing child poverty. 2) We had an opportunity to ban bottom contact fishing from the whole gulf. The other 82%. Nope. Don't have the will to do it. Missed opportunity. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K4309 353 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 LegaSea NZ The government is forging ahead with support for ongoing bottom trawling despite widespread public outrage at the damage it is causing to the marine environment. Two decisions within days of each other confirm the government is committed to allowing bottom trawling, dredging and seining in inshore waters. Both decisions are contrary to the government’s vision for healthy and productive oceans. Off the back of an extremely unremarkable Industry Transformation Plan that manages to offer virtually zero actual transformation, the government today unveiled their alarmingly limp Hauraki Gulf Marine Park Fisheries Plan, which will allow trawling in vast swathes while closing other areas to fishing in a selection of new marine protected areas. Both ideas just as ineffective as the next. We all know fish and other sea life aren’t bound by the confines of marine reserves, and instead, these boundaries become hotspots for people to cash out on that which spills over the sides. We also know that trawling has a myriad of consequences to our marine habitats and ecosystems. Where is the real foresight? Where’s the pride that should come with caring for our biggest marine park? Certainly not with this government. Ineffective and money-driven decision-making shouldn’t have a place in these decisions. It’s time for Kiwis to speak up with their votes. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,691 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Because what you said is incorrect. 3 x 6% is 18%. Not zero. If you had said 18% is totally inadequate and won't do any goid I would gave agreed with you. As for getting it passed before the election - would you rather the govt did not even try? Let's wait until something happens before criticizing. It doesn't make sense to make your own predictions then criticize someone based on what you think might happen. At the very least predicate your statement with "I predict ". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rangi1 51 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 Doesn’t seem like you need any more whiskey HT 🤔 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 678 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 9 minutes ago, Rangi1 said: Doesn’t seem like you need any more whiskey HT 🤔 Not me but thats the letter bill use to send to his brothers,was Principle at the school at Kawhia and back bullet ridden from france www1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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