SSANZ Triple Series 2024

[funlovincriminal 176]

Pretty good for fishing Jon

[Jono G 43]

I think we can both say we were right. It looks like the short course boats had a beautiful sail.

Over on long haul we had the front boats finish on the tide while we had to deal with an outgoing tide and a breeze that was best described as "fitful" and flicking between South and Northwest. I'm too scared to look at the tracker between Emu Point and Bean Rock.

At least we got home. Well done the few on the long course who had to wait for the tide to turn to finish.

[Jon 391]

5 hours ago, Jono G said:

I think we can both say we were right. It looks like the short course boats had a beautiful sail.

Over on long haul we had the front boats finish on the tide while we had to deal with an outgoing tide and a breeze that was best described as "fitful" and flicking between South and Northwest. I'm too scared to look at the tracker between Emu Point and Bean Rock.

At least we got home. Well done the few on the long course who had to wait for the tide to turn to finish.

Yep we thought long and hard about moving the finish to northern leading between the short two and long course

But why spoil your fun 

plus waiting for a Raven 26 to finish 3 hours after the multi’s meant we had to run two lines

If you kept west of a line from Durville toLittle Barrier you had wind all day, just ask the guys on the short course 

however look at this pic of last 3 boats going around eastern mark

 

 

[ex Elly 221]

Now we just need to ask the Harbourmaster to replace the lights on Northern Leading and Reso. They are so feeble you can barely see them up close.

 

[Jon 391]

45 minutes ago, ex Elly said:

Now we just need to ask the Harbourmaster to replace the lights on Northern Leading and Reso. They are so feeble you can barely see them up close.

 

Only a couple missed reso, but a couple also tried finishing south of committee boat and another tried finishing at Westhaven 🥺

[Ex Machina 384]

Many thanks to Neil for talking us across the finish line  . We were knackered and couldn’t see it from 100 meters away and mistook the strobe for a roadworks truck on tamaki drive .

[aardvarkash10 1,057]

10 minutes ago, Ex Machina said:

Many thanks to Neil for talking us across the finish line  . We were knackered and couldn’t see it from 100 meters away and mistook the strobe for a roadworks truck on tamaki drive .

were there cones?😁

[Ex Machina 384]

18 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said:

were there cones?😁

 No cones needed , fatigue and the ports of Auckland light show did a fine job of putting us in a muddle .

[Jono G 43]

Anyone need a crew for Saturday? Unfortunately we aren't going on Krakatoa.

Happy to go on anything on any course.

Jono Gravit

0274 754 169

[ex Elly 221]

So has the PHRF experiment been a failure? New World Victoria Park Div 1 has gone from 33 entries last year to only 24 entries. PHRF has scared them off!

Also Sculpins handicap went from 596 in race 1 to 612 in race 3. I thought PHRFs were only adjusted once a year?

 

[CarpeDiem 510]

2 hours ago, ex Elly said:

So has the PHRF experiment been a failure? New World Victoria Park Div 1 has gone from 33 entries last year to only 24 entries. PHRF has scared them off!

Also Sculpins handicap went from 596 in race 1 to 612 in race 3. I thought PHRFs were only adjusted once a year?

 

I would not call it a failure.  Personally I am pleased that SSANZ is embracing PHRF.

Is it really PHRF that scared them off?

Our PHRF has always been adjusted twice a year.  Once in April(ish) when we renew and once in September(ish).

16 points is a signiifcant change.  I would expect a significant change to flow through mid series as this indicates that the original rating was substantially wrong.

 

[Steve 40]

I think the rationale for the switch was very sound.  Mark Mulcare won't be running Racetrack forever and SSANZ absolutely did not want to be burdened with being handicappers.  That's a short slippery slope to becoming very unpopular.  So what's left?

[Psyche 718]

On 9/09/2024 at 10:59 AM, ex Elly said:

So has the PHRF experiment been a failure? New World Victoria Park Div 1 has gone from 33 entries last year to only 24 entries. PHRF has scared them off!

Also Sculpins handicap went from 596 in race 1 to 612 in race 3. I thought PHRFs were only adjusted once a year?

 

The reasons why I decided to do Vic Park division last year was because I wanted to get home for dinner and its where our competitors are. This year when it was a PHRF requirement to be in points I initially questioned why but a much cleverer person than me explained that PHRF is the fairest way of handicapping because its gives a range for the boats performance potential as opposed to club handicap or racetrack which is weighted to crew performance. The difference means that a poorly sailed boat with an artificially low racetrack handicap could be commandeered by a rockstar (or two) and a set of black sails instead of 20 year old dacron handbrakes and clean up. PHRF gives a range of potential performance with an upper and lower limit so that cant happen or at least not to the same extent. The other factor is YNZ have come to the party somewhat by reducing the price for a single series.

Regarding Sculpins PHRF, I have had mine reviewed several times during the SSANZ so it is a thing and even if they were sailing on their older PHRF they still would be way down the fleet, certainly not enough to get on the podium in race 3. So yes PHRF is fair for a one off event like SSANZ and if its the only race you enter for the year which is true for a lot of entrants then its really no big deal in the grand scheme.

[Jon 391]

Little bit more background 

YNZ where looking to cut cost/waste where possible 

SSANZ needs a national handicapping system to run national events, RNI, RNZ and Northern Triangle 

For the system to be robust it needs numbers, most clubs are just as happy with their own club handicapping, this can be vastly different from club to club which makes these numbers irrelevant when you get boats coming together from all points of the compass.

SSANZ needs PHRF to run national events so therefore they’ve decided to make it their major prize criteria for the triple as this is the fairest way for yachts from different clubs to race which is what the Triple Series also, they have used racetrack previously but Mark as stated above won’t be doing this for ever.

Hope this makes sense, you can still race with SSANZ on a general handicap but if your wanting to have a crack at boats from all the other clubs then this is the best option available, if not and plenty aren’t interested in going any further, then stick to your club racing. 

 

[ex Elly 221]

Sculpin are not happy:

• 07-09-24 – Lewmar50 Race – Vessel “Sculpin” request for Redress received due to improper action of the handicap committee.

https://www.ssanz.co.nz/noticeboard/

 

[ex Elly 221]

19 hours ago, Psyche said:

The difference means that a poorly sailed boat with an artificially low racetrack handicap could be commandeered by a rockstar (or two) and a set of black sails instead of 20 year old dacron handbrakes and clean up. PHRF gives a range of potential performance with an upper and lower limit so that cant happen or at least not to the same extent.

The same thing can and has happened with PHRF.

For example, when Roy Dickson commandeered Pelagian (which had a lower handicap than his own boat) for the Coastal Classic.

[Steve 40]

5 minutes ago, ex Elly said:

Sculpin are not happy:

• 07-09-24 – Lewmar50 Race – Vessel “Sculpin” request for Redress received due to improper action of the handicap committee.

https://www.ssanz.co.nz/noticeboard/

 

Interesting protest.  They're quite within their rights of course, protest anything you like.  Looking forward to the result.

[Psyche 718]

Interesting course of action, from a general perspective I am not sure how the SSANZ handicap committee have made an error since they don't set handicaps but simply adopt them from YNZ's PHRF committee.

[Steve 40]

10 minutes ago, Psyche said:

Interesting course of action, from a general perspective I am not sure how the SSANZ handicap committee have made an error since they don't set handicaps but simply adopt them from YNZ's PHRF committee.

And there you have it.  The reason for being once removed.

[CarpeDiem 510]

4 hours ago, Psyche said:

Interesting course of action, from a general perspective I am not sure how the SSANZ handicap committee have made an error since they don't set handicaps but simply adopt them from YNZ's PHRF committee.

It's all one and the same.  If the protestor claims YNZ have made a mistake the protest committee still hears it and will consult a YNZ technical representative.

This is the same process as if it was IRC or ORC, or even class rules - the authority responsible for the rules decides.