Bad Kitty 287 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Anyone familiar with both C Map & Navionics for Pacific charts? Fiji predominantly, but they're usually bundled. Time for an update for the chart on the B&G gear, interested in which y'all like better? We have C Map on the B&G gear, and Navionics on iPads & phones. It's interesting (TERRIFYING) how much they can vary, and while one may be better for a few Islands, then it's miles out & the other is better. Thanks, pic for reference! Lagoon at Ongea Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,716 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 What was the maximum variation you found between charts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1paulg 20 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 I found Navionics pretty variable in accuracy - going into Vanabulava was probably 400 metres out - luckily we had Isailor as back up on an ipad which was pretty spot on for most of Fiji Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,716 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Have to admit that made me smile. Sailing around with a sextant 5 miles was considered adequate. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bad Kitty 287 Posted November 5 Author Share Posted November 5 4 hours ago, Black Panther said: Have to admit that made me smile. Sailing around with a sextant 5 miles was considered adequate. Huh! I'm surprised, figured you'd still be on an octant, or a davis quadrant! 🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bad Kitty 287 Posted November 5 Author Share Posted November 5 4 hours ago, Black Panther said: Have to admit that made me smile. Sailing around with a sextant 5 miles was considered adequate. Main difference was going into tight passes, when you have the weather up the stern, and it's hard to see the 50 mtr wide pass, then a 400 mtr difference in charts is a little disconcerting. And yes I get what you're saying, but we're getting used to modern nav now, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 454 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 I have found Navionics good but treat anything around Fiji waters with deep suspicion. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,286 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 On 5/11/2024 at 6:45 PM, Bad Kitty said: Anyone familiar with both C Map & Navionics for Pacific charts? Fiji predominantly, but they're usually bundled. Time for an update for the chart on the B&G gear, interested in which y'all like better? We have C Map on the B&G gear, and Navionics on iPads & phones. It's interesting (TERRIFYING) how much they can vary, and while one may be better for a few Islands, then it's miles out & the other is better. Thanks, pic for reference! Lagoon at Ongea Just a note BK, now that Garmin own Navionics, and Navico have bought C-map, all the development work from Navico is now Cmap... There are several levels of charts, the basic one being "Discover", then the advanced one being "Reveal" NZ Reveal charts are $294 + GST, Discover is $146 + GST. There is not yet a Reveal for the pacific, Discover (Pacific Territories) is $294 + GST. From Navico - reveal "Cruising, fishing or sailing, C-MAP® REVEAL™ charts offer the very best of C-MAP. With Shaded Relief, including game-changing Reveal Seafloor Imagery, Aerial Photography, Satellite Overlay and Dynamic Raster Chart presentation added to the core C-MAP features found in DISCOVER™ – full-featured Vector Charts, with Custom Depth Shading, Tides & Currents and subscription-free Easy Routing™. It also includes the very best of C-MAP High-Res Bathy, including integrated Genesis® data. Purchase includes a full 12 months of free online updates. Compatible with Lowrance, Simrad & B&G Chartplotters" Discover; Cruising, fishing or sailing, C-MAP® DISCOVER™ offers a choice of coverages and includes all of the core features you need to make the most of your time on the water. DISCOVER has the very best of C-MAP High-Res Bathy, including integrated Genesis® data, along with full-featured Vector Charts, Custom Depth Shading, Tides & Currents and subscription-free Easy Routing™. Purchase includes 12 months of free online updates. Compatible with Lowrance, Simrad & B&G Chartplotters., 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,716 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 I thought the nz charts were free?. I know I didn't pay for them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,072 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 22 minutes ago, Black Panther said: I thought the nz charts were free?. I know I didn't pay for them yup. NZ raster and vector charts are free. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,286 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Depends on the platform. LINZ NZ do raster and vector charts for NZ for free - but you need a system (like opencpn) that can display them. None of the main Marine Electronics companies support them... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,716 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 17 minutes ago, Island Time said: Depends on the platform. LINZ NZ do raster and vector charts for NZ for free - but you need a system (like opencpn) that can display them. None of the main Marine Electronics companies support them... Good reason to skip past the main marine electronics companies. I use mxmariner. Cost $15 to buy and the charts are free. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 512 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 1 hour ago, Black Panther said: Good reason to skip past the main marine electronics companies. I use mxmariner. Cost $15 to buy and the charts are free. MX Mariner is a hobbyist project - it's currently unavailable to new customers and existing customers aren't getting updates. The project owner is currently redeveloping it to support ENC charts because Raster charts are slowly getting pulled. There's no ETA. It's a great little product, at a wonderful price point, but with that price point comes all the hidden issues of cheap. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,072 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 OpenCPN. Multi-platform, mostly free (a small cost on Android and Apple), it works. Plays well with NZ raster and vector charts once you find your way through the licence system. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,716 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 Cheap can be good. I was recently told by a Raymarine person they wouldn't fix a problematic chart plotter screen. Apparently 6 years Is too old to bother with. Just replace the screen. Oh yeah, both screens coz the new one won't talk to the old one. Oh, and all those mfd won't work either. And better replace the two autopilots. With installation about 40k AUD. Why do you ask? Thankfully wasn't my boat, but you can buy a sh*t ton of navionics for 40k. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K4309 369 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 You should find out what the Manawanui were using and get the other one. Word is there was no mechanical failure and just pranged it into the reef. Sounds very much like a GPS assisted grounding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bad Kitty 287 Posted November 7 Author Share Posted November 7 16 hours ago, K4309 said: You should find out what the Manawanui were using and get the other one. Word is there was no mechanical failure and just pranged it into the reef. Sounds very much like a GPS assisted grounding. Ouch, I've heard whispers the other way, mechanical problems, but it's just Navy gossip. We'll find out something eventually, I guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zozza 333 Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 I quite like the look of Time Zero, got their NZ charts for $30 0r $40 and the app seems easy to use with a good display. Unlike some Nav Apps these days, the charts are for life once downloaded, but if you want the chart corrections it's a further payment every twelve months 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bad Kitty 287 Posted November 7 Author Share Posted November 7 41 minutes ago, Zozza said: I quite like the look of Time Zero, got their NZ charts for $30 0r $40 and the app seems easy to use with a good display. Unlike some Nav Apps these days, the charts are for life once downloaded, but if you want the chart corrections it's a further payment every twelve months Zoz are you using them on a plotter or a tablet/iPad thing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zozza 333 Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 4 hours ago, Bad Kitty said: Zoz are you using them on a plotter or a tablet/iPad thing? Tablet / iPhone - via their app. https://mytimezero.com/tz-iboat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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