Frank 166 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 10/12/2024 at 8:01 PM, aardvarkash10 said: Nope,that's not the only option. It's the cheapest, but not the only. If you own a boat that is truly end of life, you should dispose of it appropriately. Pull it out, break it up, sell reusable stuff eg winches, send the rest to managed landfill. Trouble is, that costs. Psyche's proposal is a solution if the cost falls fairly. Owners have to take some reasonable responsibility. There is an existing model - cars. End of life cars are now (mostly) disposed of by the owner at a cost. I have disposed of two cars that weren't worth repairing, I called the scrappie and the next day a sliding deck truck pulled up and gave me $250 cash on one occasion and $400 on another (a few yrs later) I'm sure that the scrap value nets them a tidy margin. With a boat there is no such situation presumably because other then the rig, engine and keel there is little recoverable scrap value and it will be exceeded many times by the cost of salvage, breakup and a trip to the landfill. Reading various reports of abandoned boats having to be removed from the "environment" the cost estimates ranged from 30 to 80k, the latter for old ferro hulls which anecdotally are B*tch . Expecting insurance to cover this is an oxymoron , if the owner had such cover the boat would not be a wreck. The AKL Harbourmaster is steadily green stickering (is that a word ?) abandoned vessels and scrapping them although its a slow process. I was at Blackpool yesterday and adjacent to the wreck of Owhiti a GRP SS24 together with a Bob Stuart DD 32 footer have now been removed replete with lead keels but they sat there for two years. The mooring field in the NW corner of Blackpool has a few liveaboards which is another part of the problem since Boats that are somebody's floating home seem lack maintenance presumably because they cant afford it otherwise they would not be living on a mooring. The ratepayer is picking up the tab for this process at the moment but perhaps some sort of levy is the only viable answer. Recent reports from the UK say that old GRP hulls eventually contribute to the microplastic problem too. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 166 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 On 11/12/2024 at 10:47 AM, waikiore said: I was at the North Shore station when most of a Townson 28 turned up, to be fair they had removed lead and toxic materials but they were still refused and told in no uncertain terms to sail on out again. Also saw a Harmonic (probably the plug) being burnt on a boatbuilders farm because no one would take it for free . I'm moored at Shelly Park and we have a few hulks in the river, recently a fellow club member "inherited" one of them. This person was told by the harbourmaster that if he could get it to a certain hardstand location then they would take care of disposal with no further burden on him. (Thats as I understand it in talking to the member) 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 697 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 1 hour ago, Frank said: I'm moored at Shelly Park and we have a few hulks in the river, recently a fellow club member "inherited" one of them. This person was told by the harbourmaster that if he could get it to a certain hardstand location then they would take care of disposal with no further burden on him. (Thats as I understand it in talking to the member) One up panmure owner gave Auckland harbour master $500 to dispose of vessel,steel roberts 45ft ish Wouldnt even the cost of the tow to the yard. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
motorb 42 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Read that recent article, and I still can't fathom how it costs eighty thousand dollars to dispose of a boat. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,103 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 12 minutes ago, motorb said: Read that recent article, and I still can't fathom how it costs eighty thousand dollars to dispose of a boat. Assume 40 footer. Project manage, $5k (consents, contracts, etc) Tow to shore, make safe, 4 people @8 hours each @ $60 charge rate plus equipment, $2000 labour plus $150/hr towage and platform, so $3.5k Break up onshore, 3 days, 4 staff, concrete cutting equipment, site safety, loader at $200/hr including operator for 16 hours, truck to disposal, two loads on a large tipper, hourly rate of $250, minimum half day. Disposal fees at $100 a tonne, say 25t of disposal. Removal of toxics, oil diesel etc Site clean and restore 4 people 8 hours. Beer money. Tons I will have missed, pricing isn't a quote but I would have thought light rather than weighted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Frank 166 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 9 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said: Assume 40 footer. Project manage, $5k (consents, contracts, etc) Tow to shore, make safe, 4 people @8 hours each @ $60 charge rate plus equipment, $2000 labour plus $150/hr towage and platform, so $3.5k Break up onshore, 3 days, 4 staff, concrete cutting equipment, site safety, loader at $200/hr including operator for 16 hours, truck to disposal, two loads on a large tipper, hourly rate of $250, minimum half day. Disposal fees at $100 a tonne, say 25t of disposal. Removal of toxics, oil diesel etc Site clean and restore 4 people 8 hours. Beer money. Tons I will have missed, pricing isn't a quote but I would have thought light rather than weighted. The upper end costings may relate to vessels that had to be scrapped in less convenient locations than a hardstand e.g large vessels stranded on tidal flats or a beach needing to be scrapped up in situ. Another case is when the boat sinks on her mooring, the point at which the dreamer accepts reality but probably can't be found. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 697 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 20 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said: Assume 40 footer. Project manage, $5k (consents, contracts, etc) Tow to shore, make safe, 4 people @8 hours each @ $60 charge rate plus equipment, $2000 labour plus $150/hr towage and platform, so $3.5k Break up onshore, 3 days, 4 staff, concrete cutting equipment, site safety, loader at $200/hr including operator for 16 hours, truck to disposal, two loads on a large tipper, hourly rate of $250, minimum half day. Disposal fees at $100 a tonne, say 25t of disposal. Removal of toxics, oil diesel etc Site clean and restore 4 people 8 hours. Beer money. Tons I will have missed, pricing isn't a quote but I would have thought light rather than weighted. Well under budget there AD missed out yard fee. + haul out fee digger and truck $300 ph or more,we are not talking tonka truck or digger. Disposal of concrete could be free if they took to recycle yard in drury,it gets used in roading/constuction https://www.vernondevelopments.co.nz/aggregate-recycling/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,103 Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 On 27/02/2025 at 5:16 PM, harrytom said: Well under budget there AD missed out yard fee. + haul out fee digger and truck $300 ph or more,we are not talking tonka truck or digger. Disposal of concrete could be free if they took to recycle yard in drury,it gets used in roading/constuction https://www.vernondevelopments.co.nz/aggregate-recycling/ I figured. I was trying to get it all in scale. None of this stuff is cheap and it takes surprisingly little effort to burn through $1k an hour on even a small demolition with easy access... 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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