Guest Posted October 9, 2011 Share Posted October 9, 2011 Have your say on the YNZ Affiliation Levy process, and enter to win a YNZ Softshell Jacket! Yachting New Zealand is asking for your views on the best method of attributing Affiliation Levies to Clubs. This survey should take less than 5 minutes and at the end, provide your contact information if you want to be in the draw to win a YNZ Softshell Jacket. Winners will be drawn on completion of the survey, 23 October 2011. Follow this link to take the survey https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/YNZ_Affiliation It can also be found on the homepage of the YNZ Website, and the YNZ Facebook Page (do you ‘like’ us yet?) Link to post Share on other sites
Atom Ant 0 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Is this another survey by YNZ where they don't really ask what people want, but try to steer answers towards a limited range of options? Hang on, I'll do the survey..... Ah, yes it is. Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 perhaps YNZ need to look at reducing their costs must be a few clubs thta are looking at pulling out of affiliation as the financial situation worsens. Link to post Share on other sites
Murky 1 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Tried not to look. But did. Two of the options contain sentences to this effect: (ii) All active sailing members will be required to register with Yachting New Zealand and they will receive a unique number that will be theirs for life.(iiI) YNZ would institute an audit of individual clubs’ returns on a regular basis Firstly, most sectors of society - but definitely yachties - will run a mile to avoid being issued with a unique number for life. Secondly, if the money YNZ is able to levy from clubs is not currently sufficient for their requirements, how do they propose to fund the administration of a system of unique numbers and/or auditing clubs? From what I gather, there has been some fairly constructive debate on the topic at previous AGMs but proposals like this make it look like...I am lost for words. They will alienate their constituency. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 What is a softshell jacket? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 In the additional comments I asked why there had to be ONE model for all clubs. I pointed out that: ( a ) Yachting is more than just racing... it's cruising (including day sailing) as well. Launch owners are members of clubs too. Social members exist too... and that ( b ) different clubs have different mixes of the above in their purpose and membership make up So, why doesn't YNZ just tell each club what their affiliation bill s and leave it up to each club to decide how they gather the funds to pay it. Some might have a generous benefactor who choses to pay it all and leave members not to have to worry about it... others may levy based on model 1, others on model 2 and 3... why not provide each club with the three models as suggested template approaches and say "It's up to you which you implement, or indeed whether you come up with your own custom method... but eityher way your bill is X." Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 control, control, control,, They want to guarantee their revenue stream, they see themselves as an organization that yachting (racing) cannot live without, as with most organizations their ceo's first priority is "their" survival, anything that pertains to the membership is secondary. To be seen to be doing stuff they need more and more funds and more and more ways to to extract this need to be devised. Often in incremental ways until the sum of the small changes they make eventually get them to the amount required, where upon the whole process starts again. It isn't just Yachting that cops this, it is all organizations with affiliated members. Hard times may be close therefor they want to future proof their position. Cynical, , Hell yes! Link to post Share on other sites
Atom Ant 0 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 perhaps YNZ need to look at reducing their costs must be a few clubs thta are looking at pulling out of affiliation as the financial situation worsens. More than just a few I suspect. The problem is that YNZ's original survey seemed to indicate that they expect to earn $x. How it is split up between all the clubs was their biggest conern. This means they don't appear to be considering that some clubs might be reconsidering maintaining their affiliation at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Farrari 4 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 What are the implications of a club de-affiliating themselves? Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Remember YNZ is not an organisation that represents sailors, it is an organisation that represents yacht clubs. You are not its members, the YCs are. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 This fee things been going on since I was a school boy and thru more than a few stints on YC and AYBA Committees. What are the implications of a club de-affiliating themselves? Supposedly they then can't run races using the ISAF rule book and won't get a copy of 'Briefings'. But anyone knot paying fee's is OK. I belong to a few YC's and get the pleasure of paying multiple times so you can use some of my excess ones, they probably end up in the cocktail party slush fund anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 I read the first question and went snore Link to post Share on other sites
Murky 1 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Remember YNZ is not an organisation that represents sailors, it is an organisation that represents yacht clubs. You are not its members, the YCs are. Makes it even more of an interesting proposition to open up a survey that appears to be anyone with a hankering to win a softshell jacket (presumably even soccer players and skateboarders? NTTIAWWT) at the end of which the clubs will be told "this is what the majority thought was best". Link to post Share on other sites
1paulg 17 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Is interesting - having just bought a boat that is currently registered offshore (but local duty and gst paid) am pondering whether to keep the offshore registration or " to come on board " - so to speak... am a current member of 2 yacht clubs so pay indirectly to the federation but not through direct registration ... any thoughts... Link to post Share on other sites
Atom Ant 0 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 Well that is the interesting thing. YNZ do allow direct membership, but if you are paying through your club, YNZ has no knowledge of who you are. They don't request nor do they get information on individuals. If you belong to a club, then you pay, whether you are a fizz boater, launch driver, cruising yachtie, club rum racer or full on represent NZ racer. But you all pay the same. Yes there is levy relief for some, but they don't make it easy. It has never been clear to me just what it is that YNZ do for the everyday boatie. Oh yes they claim to try to look after the interests of general boaties but in Auckland for example the AYBA is far more visible at anti mussel farm or mooring hearings than YNZ. We only pay the AYBA around $3 per member. For your grass roots mum, dad and the 2.5 kids day boatie, this is where it's at. Yes YNZ does heaps to support the youth sailing and develop NZ racing fraternity, but the question becomes one of relevance when people are struggling to own a boat at all. Link to post Share on other sites
ex Elly 197 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 So, does the $50 option where a sailor gets a registration number, mean that if you belong to more than one club you only pay once? Link to post Share on other sites
Atom Ant 0 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 No unfortunately, you will have to pay the club and then apply for levy relief - and they won't make it easy! T Hat's the current system. Link to post Share on other sites
johnMi 2 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 As KM said, this has been going on since when. I don't want to affend anybody here, but I feel that whatever YNZ do, you will complain. 1st off, they gave 3 options. What did you want 65 options? secondly they gave you an option to give an alternative suggestion, so I think you're all being a bit hard on them. Remember that YNZ are there to make sure we develop top class sailors, and do well at all international sailing events. That costs money and I believe users pay. Hell, for me $50 is well worth paying (I ticked option 2) You can't say they are not getting the results. NZ has the best Americas Cup Skipper EVER. NZers have completely dominated AC as well as most Whitbreads in the past. Not long and they'll also be dominating the multihull scene as well. Give them a break. They are trying to accommodate us with this questionnare, and don't desreve the flack they are getting. Link to post Share on other sites
Atom Ant 0 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 John, yes they do. Alot of their funding comes from SPARC and not from us. However they still need to get (and I could well be wrong on this figure) around $475,000 from yacht clubs. At no stage have they made membership voluntary or suggested it could be, so therefore clubs are left with either join up and tax all their members approx $40 on YNZ behalf, or they can opt out altogether. Some yacht clubs have done the latter already, and who knows how many, if any will do so in the future. I expect an interesting YNZ AGM. Actually this is far too big a subject to type on here, and I have to go to work. John, I believe that events will unfold in due course. I too am happy to be a member of YNZ, but I certainly understand why alot of people aren't. Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted October 13, 2011 Share Posted October 13, 2011 If we follow the government line joining should be optional, just like they have legislated for the student union levies. You want it, you believe in it, YOU support and pay for it. There are a lot of clubs now that are mainly cruising oriented with a small racing fraternity, they should be able to vote democraticly whether to support or not. It is only recent times where funding sport for winners has become the norm. NZ has a proud history of sportsmen / women rising to the top from individual belief and effort. Smaller sports don't get a look in. Compulsory funding is soon is gobbled up by the administrators and decission maker, bugger all actually gets to the guys out on that actually go out and compete. Link to post Share on other sites
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