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I'm not following your response as an explanation for the shortcommings of the Enchanter rescue. If these rescue helos are so expensive to operate, what was the cost of having one parked up for 5 hours while they scratched around for fuel? Are you saying the 4 guys that died waiting for rescue was due to budget constraints? The point I'm tyring to make is Maritime NZ are responsible for coordinating rescue assets. In this case it was a clusterfuck. Others have already said Maritime NZ don't own or operate the rescue assets, that falls to Trusts and Charities. It is the coordinat

You are missing the point. I am not complaining about our rescue services, as in the Trusts and Charities that deliver the rescue services. I'm questioning the organisation of it. There are clearly no shortage of rescue helo's. So why was only one dispatched? If these things cost such an extraordinary amount per hour, what is the cost of having one parked up for 5 hours while people scratch around finding some gas? In this case it was 4 lives. But jokes aside, what would it cost to keep avgas depoted anywhere in Tai Tokerau? You yourself have said that Maritime NZ don't own

That is not what you said though. What is it when you say one thing and mean something else? You are correct in that we cannot blindly expect to get rescued. But I think the families of the victims, and the rest of us, can expect a reasonably competent national maritime organisation and all best endeavors for rescue. There are 17 rescue helos in the North Island and 33 nationally. We are not short of appropriate rescue assests. Unlike your example of the UK with RNLI Lifeboat stations everywhere, for a country of 5million, we have an abundance of rescue helicopter ass

What is the standard H&S charge, and what is the skipper currently being charged with? "actions or inactions resulting in the death..." There are individuals at Maritime NZ that are employed to do a job. There are some serious questions around whether they were grossly negligent in doing that job. There are 17 rescue helos in the North Island and 33 in NZ. Yet only one was sent to a mass causality event, and no-one thought it would need fuel. It certainly appears there is a case of gross negligence here. Why would someone employed by Maritime NZ not be subject to the sa

You left out the bit where Predict Wind forecast 20knts and dropping, and that that was far closer to reality than the nonsense Metservice served up. We all know Metservice can't organise a root in a whore house with their forecasts, which is why everyone with any skin in the game uses Predict Wind.

It is MNZ's decision entirely to lay the charges. Saying it is the Court's decision to lay charges is not based in fact. That is why they have withdrawn 5 charges already, 3 at the start of trial. That was MNZ's decision to lay and then withdraw those charges. Not the Court's. MNZ got caught with their pants down not having planned for a mass casualty rescue off the Northland coast. That directly resulted in the deaths of 4 of the 5 fatalities. Noting that MNZ haven't charged themselves for 'not taking reasonable actions', there is a strong perception they are pushing these charges w

So that is a $29 fuse that is small enough to sit on the battery terminal lug, doesn't get in the way and protects your boat from electrical clusterfucks? Think I will get one. I was expecting something like an anchor winch isolator that needed to be mounted separately and would then need specific leads to and from it etc.

Are you talking LiFePo house batteries, or the couple of dozen cell phone, laptop, drills, portable speakers, tooth brushes etc that all take all sorts of random Lithium batteries, have zero BMS and have dodgy as cheap chargers? When I had a good look into this, there was an article around I think by an AU insurance underwriters or insurance industry association. The risk of LiFePo was conflated (excuse the pun) with the very wide range of other common batteries we take onto the boat, leave on the charger, leave in the sun, drop, sit on or dunk in water.

So what you are saying is, marina berths in Auckland have gotten so expensive you can buy one and get a free house?

A mate is currently trying to give away a 12m Hobsonville berth for 'free'. Lease till 2035. All you have to do is pay this year's opex of $9,600....

So what actually happens when the leases expire? Do Punuku just bend you over and charge a monthly rental, price set by themselves? Or is there a process to renew leases or something? Like a game of musical chairs where everyone runs around trying to secure rights to a new marina berth, and some people are going to miss out? Noting I'm not in a marina, so the vagaries of marina leases and opex and what not are beyond me, but I am observing that the cost of berthing a boat is hugely prohibitive to owning a boat, and this is having a profound effect on the value of boats, particul

Goodhew told Maritime New Zealand it was so calm that the men were free to move around the boat and put fishing lines out. He said he expected to arrive at their destination around 8pm, called his friend at around 7.40pm and believed it was around 20 minutes after that phone call when the wave hit. Goodhew recalled it was getting dark and he was at the rear of the boat checking his client's lures and decided to give them another 15 minutes before calling it a day. Goodhew's recollection was almost cinematic as he described a colossal wall of water with no end in sight. "I l

Now we have lying prosecution witnesses. MNZ case is getting even more tenuous. Difficult to make this up. Just saying. A commercial fisherman sent to rescue ten men in the water after the Enchanter fishing charter capsized off Northland has admitted in court he was fishing in weather he'd earlier said was too dangerous to be out in. Maritime New Zealand's case is Enchanter's skipper should've known a front that smashed Northland overnight Saturday and early Sunday would have continued to impact sea conditions long after it'd passed. Text messages between the Florence N

As per my previous post. Note to clarify, I'm not making any ascertains as to where the capsize happened. I'm just pointing out that there are no facts as to where it happened, and the evidence MNZ is using to say it happened elsewhere from where the skipper said he was - is tenuous.

Crickey, have you read anything or are you ignorant? MNZ are inferring the position of the capsize from the location of the EPRIB activation, and saying that based on that, he wasn't where he said he was. Accept, the EPIRB was not activated for 45 minutes after the capsize. So where did the capsize happen? If the EPIRB drifted for 45minutes, what grounds have you got to say the capsize didn't happen where he said he was? I love it how people form opinions based on a couple of social media posts and then call for the guy to be hanged, when they clearly aren't across the issu

Yes, the whole debate, and infact the whole prosecution relies on establishing where he was at the time of the incident. We all understand that. That quote, "about as equally likely" in itself demonstrates high uncertainty as to exactly where he was when this happened. On the EPIRB drift, have you ever been to a surf beach? Muriwai for example? You can have tonnes of water pushing in at one spot, and literally 10m to one side, you can have a 3knt current ripping out. Most people on here should be able to understand rips. It is perfectly feasible for the incident to have occurred wher

We get back eddies in our river all the time. The tide will be bombing in, and at the same time there will be an outgoing current along one side. Given the complexities of wind, tide, current, swell and wave action, it is not possible for anyone to predict with any certainty a drift pattern with enough certainty to convict someone. Given that they couldn't find the missing people, nor actually find the wreck post rescue validates this. And on the missing people, this demonstrates dispersion modelling. As in, they all went in different directions. they spread out. So if the people and wrec

Peter "Shay" Ward, an experienced commercial fisherman from Te Awamutu, was one of eight friends who signed up for a five-day trip to the Three Kings Islands just over two years ago. Ward told the court he was sitting on the rear deck on the evening of 20 March, 2022, as the Enchanter was nearing its planned anchorage for the night below the North Cape lighthouse. At the time the wind was light, about 12-13 knots, and the swell about two metres, he said. The other passengers were relaxing in the cabin so they didn't see the wave coming. "I remember seeing that swell

Here is the TAIC Final report. Skippers route is shown on page 28. Couple of pages down is the EPIRB track. MO-2022-201 Charter fishing vessel, Enchanter, capsize, North Cape, New Zealand, 20 March 2022 (taic.org.nz)

TAIC states "about as likely as not" as in 50:50 the Enchanter strayed into shallow water. That is a highly uncertain statement as to exactly where the Enchater was. It is 50:50 the skipper had the boat where he said, in safe deep water, and it was an actual rogue wave that got it, not shallow water effect. Just like the Essence off BoI. 50:50 Isn't our justice system based on 'reasonable doubt'? Why it happened The Enchanter should easily have coped with the sea conditions off North Cape at the time of the accident. However, it is about as likely as not the vessel had str

Many of the points posted here are opinions. Having a difference of opinion is not a criminal matter. Generally the criminal test is gross negligence. The prosecution are saying he should not have been within 3 miles of land, but psyche has confirmed there is no rule regarding this. His ship was apparently in good order, and approved for the area it was operating in. He checked the forecast regularly, so not like he was sailing blind. The only paperwork he didn't have was an expired first aid certificate, not directly contributable to the incident. So it's not like he was tryin

Do you know if that integrates OK with a Nexus system?

My current mhu is wireless anyway, so I'm up for running a new wire regardless. Since the mhu packed up, I've been going old school and just estimating the wind strength based on the feel on my face and the state of the sea. Given I'm probably looking at $2k to replace the wind transducer, I might just continue with old school wind speed for a bit. The AP goes find on course heading. We have a powerful hydrualic ram on the back of our tiller steer (37fter), and that is the main thing for me at the moment. Noting I've not raced for a few years so the need for fancy lectronics is dimin

Are you saying they ran aground now? I can't keep up.

I've been looking at that GND10, it is that unit that makes the gWind integrate with the Nexus system. It comes with the wired gWind. Noting that the riggers warned me off putting another wireless unit on, and the retailer wont even sell them, saying they (the Garmin gWind) are complete sh*t, so if I proceed it will have to be a wired unit. Interestingly I've not had any issues with my Nexus Multi displays. Blowing the FETs on the AP course controller (the computer thingee tucked away in a locker) was due to malfunctions of the autopilot ram. On one occasion it decoupled from the tiller a