Island Time 1,313 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Kiwi Breeze is in a 12m berth at GH Village - just along from my house. He made the bowsprit fold up. Fits in, JUST. She is a nice example of her type, but once into that price range there are lots of options - maybe even this https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-2440876593.htm?rsqid=afc5575475ba423ebc795c3991151a3c-003 but not in that berth! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sailing NZ 25 Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 43 minutes ago, Priscilla II said: No rocket ship but pretty well sorted. Considering the local vigorous prevailing SW 110 hp yanmar will see you right. https://www.trademe.co.nz/trade-me-motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-2553078000.htm Nice setup good kit and we'll sorted. But timber Glassed I presume. Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sailing NZ 25 Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 8 minutes ago, Priscilla II said: You get what you pay for. Space doesn’t come cheap but sort your priorities. What have you shortlisted post it and take advantage of this forums wisdom. Thought I had?... 40', $250k, 6'4" headroom in saloon and shower. Big double grunter, GRP, fast cruiser, offshore capable, the rest of my list I can add. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sailing NZ 25 Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, Island Time said: Kiwi Breeze is in a 12m berth at GH Village - just along from my house. He made the bowsprit fold up. Fits in, JUST. She is a nice example of her type, but once into that price range there are lots of options - maybe even this https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-2440876593.htm?rsqid=afc5575475ba423ebc795c3991151a3c-003 but not in that berth! I wish... Dollars a bit high for me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,313 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Like Aleana said, you may be surprised what offer might be accepted at this time... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 450 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 37 minutes ago, Sailing NZ said: Yip agree and have had similar thoughts but trying to get 40' for reduced marina berth extortion. Mind you I might just mo Well that Dickson won’t fit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raz88 97 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 11 hours ago, Island Time said: My Neighbour has one of those, Kiwi Breeze. She sails pretty well for what she is, but significantly slower than the Bene 1st OR the 1220... HUGE interior and cockpit for her size, must be 2x that of the 1220... The one in the advert says its 13m? So more like 43ft? Would explain why she's roomier... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 365 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 1 hour ago, raz88 said: The one in the advert says its 13m? So more like 43ft? Would explain why she's roomier... There are 2 versions, the original Kiwi Breeze, Polly and others at 12m, and then the stretched version at 13m, Business First and the one on trademe (rather overpriced in my view) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
maharg 2 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 My vote would be a Hanse 400. I am 6'4" and have great headroom in mine. They are built extremely well and are certified to ISO Category A “Offshore”. Very easy to sail single handed with self tacking jib, but also very good performance. More info here https://www.practical-sailor.com/sailboat-reviews/used_sailboats/hanse-400-boat-review Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fogg 427 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Agree Hanses are also a good option and probably the top sailing performer amongst the Euro ‘plastic fantastics’. But I’ve rejected a couple of used ones that didn’t seem to have withstood the test of time so well. And I gather most of the big charter operators found they suffered much worse wear & tear than the Ben/Jen/Bav boats under heavy charter use so they’ve mostly stopped buying them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sailing NZ 25 Posted March 24, 2020 Author Share Posted March 24, 2020 Out of interest what price would you guys 20 hours ago, maharg said: My vote would be a Hanse 400. I am 6'4" and have great headroom in mine. They are built extremely well and are certified to ISO Category A “Offshore”. Very easy to sail single handed with self tacking jib, but also very good performance. More info here https://www.practical-sailor.com/sailboat-reviews/used_sailboats/hanse-400-boat-review I like the new Hanse's. Big boats. Out of interest What price would you guys put on the Dickson if you were going to buy it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 365 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Sailing NZ, I note your initial post talked about "fast" "liveaboard" and "offshore". These are quite diverse requirements and you need to have a think about how you weight each of the 3. What are you thinking in terms of liveaboard and offshore? If it is just gulf cruising and an occasional winter circuit of the islands for 5-6 mths, which is really "camping on board", then a lighter production yacht is ok (altho none of the European AWB's do much for me). But if you are thinking serious offshore miles and full time liveaboard then the reality is you will be carrying alot of stuff and need a heavier displacement boat to do so. Have a look at Peter Smith's Kiwi Roa, all the fibreglass 12m boats would sail rings around her but even their 15m brethren would sink under the load she carries https://www.petersmith.net.nz/about/kiwiroa.php Like everything yacht selection is a compromise. You have said one priority is headroom and hence sleeping berth size, have a think about what you really want to do with this yacht Another nice yacht off Trademe to consider https://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/boats-marine/yachts/keeler/auction-2329520188.htm?rsqid=87e8338449034d2d82b934432648b8a1-003 he has dropped his price $80k over the last 12 mths. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 412 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 The Dickson is a lovely boat and heaps of room/ headroom in the current market it’s probably low 3s but definitely worth a look it will do Tonga in 6 days where most 40s will be looking at 8ish doesn’t sound much difference but if you consider forecasting being good for about 4 days then in the Dickson your in the trades or approaching Minerva, where as a 40 your only halfway there if your thinking a mooring I’d seriously consider, the guys that built it have been wanting to sell for a while, it is an orphan so you would want to own it for some time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 412 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 Also I think when I looked at it at the boat show a few years back they were asking high 7s if I remember correctly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
1paulg 22 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 Be pretty hard to sell a boat right now I would have thought with everyone having to stay put . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 450 Posted March 26, 2020 Share Posted March 26, 2020 As it would be impossible to arrange a sea trial or a survey so unless you buy without nothing will be changing hands. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,313 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 Just because I'm bored, and recalled this thread, I measured the headroom. 6 ft 3 in saloon, (1.915m) about 6ft 1 in fwd head and cabin. 1988 Farr Phase 4..... Bunks are all 2m long. On a boat 11.97 m on deck, 12.8m overall. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zozza 363 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 If you don't mind a little bit bigger , faster, and just a wee bit more expensive, then how about this? It has your headroom and will certainly go to windward faster than a slow...or fast...cruiser. Actually they're probably going cheap at the moment..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Priscilla II 450 Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 42ft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sailing NZ 25 Posted April 6, 2020 Author Share Posted April 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Zozza said: If you don't mind a little bit bigger , faster, and just a wee bit more expensive, then how about this? It has your headroom and will certainly go to windward faster than a slow...or fast...cruiser. Actually they're probably going cheap at the moment..... The fuel bill might be a bit tight on the budget. But otherwise... 🤙👌 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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