Black Panther 1,767 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 file:///C:/Users/user1/Downloads/Changes%20to%20Maritime%20Fees%20and%20Charges.pdf I wonder what "extensive consultation" means??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DrWatson 382 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 In this case I agree with Dtwo - I have never seen any use for my registration cert, other than clearing in and out of countries. It's just another bureaucratic charge as far as I can see, and surely the overhead of keeping a simple register is not worth $1K a year. It's a five year registration, no? so 200 bucks a year. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,767 Posted June 16, 2016 Share Posted June 16, 2016 it used to be a one off fee, your registration lasted till you de registered. Now it makes sense not to register till the last minute. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 697 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 old thread but appropriate for my issue Ynz has my yacht down as scampus ii sail number 2920 peterson design now it was launched in 1976 with a builders plaque on the bulk head as built 1976 orinoco 2920 so now to rectify the problem I need to pay ynz change of boat name/ownership $55 Guess I just bite the bullet and pay? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 253 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 unless you are going to race, there is no requirement to bother registering with YNZ or change the info that they have for that matter . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 697 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 unless you are going to race, there is no requirement to bother registering with YNZ or change the info that they have for that matter . yep exactly what i am going to do nothing,speaking of racing,boat must registered and current owners details to be correct?what if i borrowed a yacht without the owner being onboard(absent owner)can you still race? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grantmc 59 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 unless you are going to race, there is no requirement to bother registering with YNZ or change the info that they have for that matter yep exactly what i am going to do nothing,speaking of racing,boat must registered and current owners details to be correct?what if i borrowed a yacht without the owner being onboard(absent owner)can you still race? Unless your boat needs PHRF, then unlikely any race officials at your local sail boat club would care less. Even less likely that anyone would look up on the YNZ register. The YNZ register has been full of mistakes, errors and omissions for years. YNZ don't care, why would anyone else? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 697 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Unless your boat needs PHRF, then unlikely any race officials at your local sail boat club would care less. Even less likely that anyone would look up on the YNZ register. The YNZ register has been full of mistakes, errors and omissions for years. YNZ don't care, why would anyone else? True, but quick to grab your money at any chance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markm 32 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Well, that's what everyone thought in one of the South Island clubs until someone tried a little entertainment by way of a protest. Suddenly YNZ got richer. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gurge 0 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 I have just gone through yacht registration/Phrf with YNZ. My dealings with them couldn't have been better. Very easy to deal with. They made it easy and knew what they were doing. The people l dealt with were a credit to YNZ.I wish all companies were this easy to deal with. It seems strange hearing peoples negative comments but I suppose policy is different to staff. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nzgrant 19 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Lol gurge dont ever name the ynz person who was helpful. Ynz will sack them as soon as they find out who it was. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ScottiE 174 Posted July 23, 2016 Share Posted July 23, 2016 Actually the last few negative post are completely out of line. GrantMC - the reason the Yacht Register is not completely up to date is because "we yachties" don't assist YNZ in doing so. But I suppose you expect them to spend hours chasing up discourteous self-centred lazy arsed yachtsman. To think they don't care is ridiculous - they provide this service as a courtesy to us - not to give themselves something to do. Harrytom - A $55 one time only fee to make a change to the register would barely cover costs and can hardly be described as grabbing money. To think otherwise is irrational. NZGrant - to infer that YNZ frontline staff are unhelpful is also completely out of line. I deal with the. Every year as part of the Coastal and I can tell you from first hand experience that they actually do go out of their way to assist discourteous self-centred lazy arsed yachtsman who wait till the week of the race to apply for documentation. I have no other affiliation to YNZ than anyone else on this forum - 3 affiliated club memberships and the aforementioned liaison. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 697 Posted July 24, 2016 Share Posted July 24, 2016 Why should I pay to fix their error?? scotte,so your affiliated to 3 clubs,that's nice,so your happy to pay for 3 lots of fees? and before you or anyone says its too hard to identify which club you pay your fee too its not. When I had 2 club fees I just deducted the levy from 1 club saying it has been paid through club 2,never had a problem Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grantmc 59 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Actually the last few negative post are completely out of line. Did you pull your thong up the wrong way round? Hey it happens to us all, but really. Down boy, down! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Battleship 100 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Agreed Scottie, sounds like the worst get rich scheme ever to maintain a database of yachts for grumpy old curmudgeons. It is entirely possible that someone changed the name of the boat in the register between 1976 and today, either way if a $55 one off fee is going to blow the budget maybe boat ownership isn't for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 697 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 no problem paying the fee Wheels,just a principle and it is not the first and certainly wont be the last time it happens,be great if registration proved legal ownership but it does not. Which begs a question how do you prove you own your vessel? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Island Time 1,293 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 OK, so what about registration under part A. I know several yachts registered in Part A, and it does not expire. Ever, as far as I can tell? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grantmc 59 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 OK, so what about registration under part A. I know several yachts registered in Part A, and it does not expire. Ever, as far as I can tell? IT I think there's been topic creep. The original posts were all about registration of a boat for offshore. Ie the Maritime NZ register. But it's changed to the register run by Yachting NZ. And as you know the two registers are quite independent. In respect to the rather argumentative postings concerning the YNZ register, YNZ service etc, I wonder if perhaps it should be a separate topic? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 253 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 Part "B" is the same as car rego, it doesn't imply or confer ownership to the holder. As K/me says the only way is to have a paper trail going back as far as possible. I expect that most overseas bureaucrats will accept the NZ part "B" certificate as proof of ownership, because they are not aware that it doesn't! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grantmc 59 Posted July 25, 2016 Share Posted July 25, 2016 A $55 one time only fee to make a change to the register would barely cover costs and can hardly be described as grabbing money. To think otherwise is irrational. Perhaps ScottiE but perhaps not. If the seller and buyer register separately (the normal process), then they each pay $55. But the above charges are only relevant if the boat is already registered with YNZ. If the boat isn't already registered then the standard fee is $365. For those requiring special number, ie classic yachts using say the E series then the fee is $620. It can get even worse for a trailer sailor. I was told by a YNZ staffer that the reason the YNZ register is such a mess is because about 11-12 years ago YNZ lost the registration database and had no backup. I really hope that no one would be ill informed as to rely on the YNZ register as proof of ownership. It's as useless as tits on the proverbial bull. No one has been knocking YNZ staff; I'm sure they're trying their best. It's a senior management issue that hasn't been managed in the last 10-11 years. The sad thing is that YNZ state: Emergency: Registration is strongly encouraged for recreational and racing boats for safety and security reasons, enabling rapid tracing of a boat in the event of theft, mishap or more serious maritime emergencies. An alarming number of registered boats do not have current owner details, leaving Yachting New Zealand and rescue authorities helpless in the event of an emergency. We request all boat owners keep Yachting New Zealand informed of any changes. If YNZ believed their own words they would, at the management level, make some decisions, and make their register a priority. I just can't imagine if Coastguard, Police, MSA, or RCC etc relied on the YNZ register what the results would be. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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