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I'm confused.

Is the problem a jetski going too fast? what has that got to do with discussing the murdering of someone?

Jetski's are a known problem. There is also a known system of dealing with them. Getting all vigilante is one thing, and I understand the frustration around jetski's. But are you guys actually discussing the justification of homicide cause someone is going too fast on a jetski? What are you going to do? walk up to someone at the boat ramp and attack them with a filleting knife?

Just breath in, breath out, count to ten, and get some perspective....

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Interesting to note that all boats are at anchor, (not sure if that includes Dtwo's) yes the sea flea may piss you off re noise etc. but is he actually doing anything dangerous? I would have thought that the rules would / should apply when yachts / boats are under navigation. I saw something similar at Whakapirau, sea fleas zooming "safely" a spectator on the beach getting upset and agitated for no reasonable reason.

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8 minutes ago, Steve Pope said:

Interesting to note that all boats are at anchor, (not sure if that includes Dtwo's) yes the sea flea may piss you off re noise etc. but is he actually doing anything dangerous? I would have thought that the rules would / should apply when yachts / boats are under navigation. I saw something similar at Whakapirau, sea fleas zooming "safely" a spectator on the beach getting upset and agitated for no reasonable reason.

Well imagine if your kids are swimming around the back of the boat and the jetski comes around the front.  So yes, it's obviously dangerous.  It is also illegal and ignorant.

The 5 knot law applies 200m from shore and 50m from other vessels.  Clearly this guy doesn't know, doesn't care, or both.

And to calm down those who would suggest murder would be a disproportionate response, I'll spell it out:  the topic post was tongue-in-cheek.  Take a breath.

Breaking legs - too much?

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40 minutes ago, Dtwo said:

And to calm down those who would suggest murder would be a disproportionate response, I'll spell it out:  the topic post was tongue-in-cheek.  Take a breath.

Breaking legs - too much?

Apparently Trump was talkin tongue in check the other day too... ;-)

I've always thought it important to prove they are breaking navigation bylaws. How do you prove they are within 50 m of you? If you can throw an empty glass bottle and hit them, they'd def be within 50 m. Even if you miss, those empties float, and wont do well if it at high speed. Could damage their machine...

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11 hours ago, Fish said:

Apparently Trump was talkin tongue in check the other day too... ;-)

I've always thought it important to prove they are breaking navigation bylaws. How do you prove they are within 50 m of you? If you can throw an empty glass bottle and hit them, they'd def be within 50 m. Even if you miss, those empties float, and wont do well if it at high speed. Could damage their machine...

Proof? Thats easy, Section 25 Evidence Act - opinion evidence is admissible from experts. The court would readily accept evidence from a harbour master who would state there qualifications and experience then give evidence on a speed and distance estimate based on the video. Police can also prosecute speeding offences this way but it is rare these days. So the video and some S25 evidence would cover it nicely.

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12 hours ago, Dtwo said:

Well imagine if your kids are swimming around the back of the boat and the jetski comes around the front.  So yes, it's obviously dangerous.  It is also illegal and ignorant.

The 5 knot law applies 200m from shore and 50m from other vessels.  Clearly this guy doesn't know, doesn't care, or both.

And to calm down those who would suggest murder would be a disproportionate response, I'll spell it out:  the topic post was tongue-in-cheek.  Take a breath.

Breaking legs - too much?

Well said. The dangers are obvious.

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21 hours ago, Fish said:

What are you going to do? walk up to someone at the boat ramp and attack them with a filleting knife?

You escalated that quickly!!!

I didn't get that sort of vibe from this thread and I'm really not sure why you did?

That aside, a little person swimming behind the boat wouldn't stand a chance if this guy comes hurtling along unannounced.

I personally have nothing against jetskis and have even considered getting one myself for fishing (perfect for getting over the shallow bar where we keep our caravan) but they need to be operated sensibly so that they don't excessively impact on other peoples enjoyment of the water.

At our regular holiday spot I would say about 70% of the jetskis and 30% of the fizz boats are exceeding the 5 knot rule through the estuary where many people enjoy swimming and harvesting seafood.

I'm interested to find out the details of this incident...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/123872638/jetski-incident-appears-to-have-caused-death-of-man-found-in-river-police-say&ved=2ahUKEwjRtbTxg5LuAhUr7XMBHTBmDHoQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3CWzN4c4wsy11rbwtCq3vE

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The fizz boat I use,less wake 25knts than 5 knts but yep its not safe to do so,The jetskiers who armed with rods etc take things serious those that hang around beaches etc are the cowboys and need to be jumped on.

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32 minutes ago, Sabre said:

You escalated that quickly!!!

Facepalm! No, I didn't escalate it. The OT did. Did you not read the thread title? The 'Justifiable Homicide' bit?

Incase you are not aware, homicide means killing someone.

The question I posed, is what are you actually going to do? Are you actually going to go and kill someone. Having your morning coffee disturbed is not justification for homicide.

And is there a real safety issue? There is only a safety issue if there are people in the water. There wasn't... So all we are talking about is breaching a bylaw.

How many of you guys breach bylaws all the time? LJ's in dinghy is a bylaw...

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1 hour ago, Fish said:

Facepalm! No, I didn't escalate it. The OT did. Did you not read the thread title? The 'Justifiable Homicide' bit?

Incase you are not aware, homicide means killing someone.

If you took the title of this thread litterally then maybe you have had a little too much internet?

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1 hour ago, Fish said:

And is there a real safety issue? There is only a safety issue if there are people in the water. There wasn't... So all we are talking about is breaching a bylaw.

I know if it were me on that jetski I wouldnt be 100% confident that I would pick up on a small head or someone surfacing while snorkeling hence why there are rules around speeds close to shore and other boats.

There is plenty of water about for everyone so no need to be fanging it metres away from other boats.

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