harrytom 642 Posted September 30, 2015 Author Share Posted September 30, 2015 hope there will be feed back from a member,pushing the proverbial up hill i think. need to have a gate between sail rock and whangarei heads that all vessels must pass through for inspection,that might work? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ketchup Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Not at all. What I am saying is that I believe they are fighting a losing battle and the measures they are attempting are totally useless (happy to be convinced otherwise). Therefore the sooner it happens the sooner they will go away and leave us alone. +1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ketchup Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Unfortunately I am a Country member so wont be there, Maybe another Whangarei member who uses this forum and is going will respond. I know from trying to discuss the situation of foreign bodies (marine) coming into NZ waters and ending up on yacht hulls with MAF folk at the boat show, there is no discussion, they know best!! I have had a reasonable run with the last lot of antifoul I applied, (Hempel Millie Dynamic Alu.) Went to get some for this years antifouling, only to find they have had to remove it as the spec has apparently been banned in NZ. The same product ticks all the Aussie boxes and is acceptable over there?? Hempel says it will take 5 years to get a new replacement product through certification. They don't want foreign organisms on our hulls, yet they take away the antifouling paints that work. Even worse is the fact that they still allow the banned product in a commercial label for the commercial foriegn ships (and some countries still allow TBT). Yet back at your local marina/harbour are boats burning 30% more fossil fuels whilst cruising around with dirty bottoms. If they brought back TBT then the fan worm, in the mariners, will be killed off real fast! Bring back TBT and Micron 25 clear Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Chewing Gum 17 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Not at all. What I am saying is that I believe they are fighting a losing battle and the measures they are attempting are totally useless (happy to be convinced otherwise). Therefore the sooner it happens the sooner they will go away and leave us alone. +2 I posted about this re cruise to BOI in March. The harbourmaster dived on our boat in Assassination Cove (good name !) while most of the other boats in the bay up anchored and scurried off before he could check them. He told me if our bottom was fouled we would have to have a compulsory haulout. I was not happy. Fortunately the bum was clean but this left a very sour taste. Who the hell do they think they are. This heavy handed approach is such a waste of time as BP has said. Makes as much sense as the silly lifejacket laws etc etc being foisted upon us. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ketchup Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 +2 I posted about this re cruise to BOI in March. The harbourmaster dived on our boat in Assassination Cove (good name !) while most of the other boats in the bay up anchored and scurried off before he could check them. He told me if our bottom was fouled we would have to have a compulsory haulout. I was not happy. Fortunately the bum was clean but this left a very sour taste. Who the hell do they think they are. This heavy handed approach is such a waste of time as BP has said. Makes as much sense as the silly lifejacket laws etc etc being foisted upon us. +3. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John B 106 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 +3, more bloody empire building. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 attached is a short idea of what the NRC is asking of yachties. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tim C 23 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Meanwhile scrubbing and antifouling on piles, or the beach, is discouraged or banned, so making antifouling a complex and expensive task. So on one hand clean hulls are wanted, on the other there is a higher degree of difficulty in getting it done... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 catch 22 the normal result of too many bureaucrats working independently to tell you what's best for you Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ketchup Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 The stupidity of this is... 1. Unless you police every bay and every boat between affected areas and non affected areas yoynwill NEVER stop it! You would have to have monitering of every bay that boats stop at, because if it get in one bay it can get to others and slowley creep up the coast. The councils are dreaming! Also where is the monitoring of the other culprits like commercial small craft and overseas cruisers who can moor in many bays before getting to BOI/Whangarei. And agree... allowing inferior antifoulings and huge costs for cleaning will only promote fouled boats and less boaties.... which in turn will reduce their return on marina income Quote Link to post Share on other sites
John B 106 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Hallelujah brother. Catch 22, stuck between a rock and a hard place , you'd almost think someone was trying to kill off the pastime of boating. I always remember the guys with the floating dock in Northland . The people who had it in for them and eventually successfully followed through and put them out of business( or were part of the group that did). Those same guys thought it entirely acceptable to run their multi ( as it happens it was) up on the local beach and scrub the crap out of it. I mean ,crap off it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dagwood 57 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 allowing inferior antifoulings and huge costs for cleaning will only promote fouled boats and less boaties.... which in turn will reduce their return on marina income You're right there - I fall into that camp still kicking tyres at the thought but one of the biggest detractions of eventually owning a keeler is the on-going hassle with keeping the bum clean. It just seems to be getting more and more complex and costly. I grew up in the days of Jet Black Anti foul and tidal grids. Now it seems you need a waste disposal facility and a university qualified application specialist operating under a resource consent. Indications seem to be that it's only going to get harder and more expensive to get an average result. Hardly appeals.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Steve Pope 243 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 It is the same old cry, the powers that be need a scapegoat for their inability to control unwanted organisms entry into the country, be it Med fan worm or Asian gypsy moth, or Aussie fruit fly. They are blaming yachties by inference for the Aussie fruit flys found in Whangarei. Yet just how many yachts came in from Aussie is a question never asked. I would doubt that there were any, or definitly in single figures. the usual route for visiting Aus by overseas yachts on the Pacific milk run is after visiting NZ not before. Yachties are not a particularly cohesive lot. Many individualists, therefore easy to pick off and blame. The enviromental groups know if you say something enough times it soon becomes fact to the general public. A bit like the Hectors dolphin no one knows actually how many there are out there, but if you show a 30 year old photo of a damaged dolphin showing signs of being caught in a net as though it happened yesterday it doesn't take long to becomes fact, therefore ban all inshore nets on large areas of the West coast. I wonder how many are eaten by killer whales and if so how can we stop this happening?? A bit like blaming motorcyclists for bike related accidents because they have the temerity to ride a motorbike and like yachties have no real voice to say this isn't so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Ketchup Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 allowing inferior antifoulings and huge costs for cleaning will only promote fouled boats and less boaties.... which in turn will reduce their return on marina income You're right there - I fall into that camp still kicking tyres at the thought but one of the biggest detractions of eventually owning a keeler is the on-going hassle with keeping the bum clean. It just seems to be getting more and more complex and costly. I grew up in the days of Jet Black Anti foul and tidal grids. Now it seems you need a waste disposal facility and a university qualified application specialist operating under a resource consent. Indications seem to be that it's only going to get harder and more expensive to get an average result. Hardly appeals.... Yip and these slipway containment drains are just an waste of time. They still have to take the spent A/Foul and bury in a landfill where they usually have piss poor control over leachgate ...thus it ends up just killing another part of the planet in a more concentrated form! And well said SP. Your post is spot on! That is a common tactic. Identify the group that is easiest to blame and spin the bullshit until its the truth. If the councils was conserned about sliway runoff/discharge and pollution entering harbours the would be better of containing all the rum off/contamination from streets/motorways. That ie a bigger problem! They have missed the boat with fan worm! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted October 2, 2015 Author Share Posted October 2, 2015 ok so your in the boi,get inspected and they deem you need to scrub off and you agree but tell them i have no money,then what?tow you south of whangarei? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Pumbaa 9 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 I'm in the Bay of Islands and I was wondering how bad it is in Auckland? Or anywhere else that has it. What effect it has had etc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
erice 732 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 on the occasional visit to westhaven the big fans are very obvious but haven't seen any yet on regular visits to the floating ramp at okahu bay... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
The big T 41 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 So far in Auckland, no real controls enforced and no major dramas. I suspect all naughty weeds/growth are mainly on wharves, marina pontoons and the like, with the biggest of these being under the control of the environmental policing body which takes a lot of money from us - Auckland Council or the Council owned Port Company. There are many severely fouled boats lying on Council administered moorings which have remained unloved for many years with no action again by Council. Lack of Council action could be 1 Why bite the hand that feeds you, or 2 Auckland Council is more enlightened and doesn't see the reds under the bed that Northland sees or 3 It will be a tiger by the tail they don't want to grab or 4 It is all around the corner for us. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Do we hear of other areas / countries having problems, maybe because they are new to NZ a balance hasn't been found yet. I remember when the Pacific arrived and colonised almost every possible surface, thay could attach to, now 50 years later many of these areas are clean of pacific oysters, probably because a natural balance has been achieved. Plus the native oyster is starting to re-appear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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