erice 732 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 monies from bon accord fines will provide funds for warning patrols at mangere bridge Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,586 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Make sure you don't have the boat's name on the dinghy. Give a false name and address and row away laughing. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,586 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 In fact feel free to use my name and address if on weekend. I'm seldom out and will almost certainly have an alibi. And will be able to report here on results. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 000 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Problem solved! As my wife reminded me, we have two antiquated lifejackets somewhere up in the forepeak as buffers between the spare anchor and the hull. These can go into the dinghy. I don't think they'll be much good, but the law is satisfied. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 if mnz/council are so concerned with saving lives by under 6m wearing of life jackets they need to take it a step further.Boat wof springs to mind as we have all seen certain people of the community in beaten up runabouts that you would not go to sea in a bath tub,overloaded no idea of the rules at sea. Education is the key but some will not adhere to advice given so we the law abiding citizen must comply as not to be seen as signalling that part of the community out. would the powers to be accept a smoke signal as a communication device? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Problem solved! As my wife reminded me, we have two antiquated lifejackets somewhere up in the forepeak as buffers between the spare anchor and the hull. These can go into the dinghy. I don't think they'll be much good, but the law is satisfied. Great idea. would the powers to be accept a smoke signal as a communication device? Two plastic cups and a piece of string. the wording does not say what with, who to, or how far. Reminds me of a certain Person (who I shall not name) who had a plastic Anchor Chain(hint hint) because at one time years ago, the racing rules were not clear enough in the wording of what an Anchor Chain was exactly. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armchairadmiral 411 Posted October 29, 2016 Share Posted October 29, 2016 Good facts there KM. But forget the facts it's perceptions that count in any bureaucracy.And those perceptions can be created by that bureaucracy. Most 'drownings' are in fact death from hypothermia and lifejackets don't stop that.Follow the money ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ScarecrowR31 8 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Is a whistle a communication device??? I believe the Royal Navy have thought so for the last 400 years or so. 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 642 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 I can understand skiffs,dragon boats etc do not need to wear/carry lifejackets due to the fact they have a safety boat on the course but where do you draw the line?tamiki river off bucks blowing 20knt out going tide and no safety vessel 8 in a dragon type boat Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Steve Pope 243 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Never seen a safety boat out with the Wakaamas when they are training at Kissing point. There is the odd lifejacket worn, but mostly they go without. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Beccara 25 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Same never seen one even on the solo guys, Likewise i dont have one on most of the time when i shot down from the basin to kissing point to check on a friends boat. Nor do i have one on when going from basin piles to marina office dock Quote Link to post Share on other sites
eruptn 95 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Interesting thread ..... the BOP Regional Council is currently revising its Navigation Regs (that's were the rules lie). We have opposed this as. We (and you) have: Martime NZ rules YNZ Safety regs Then regional Council rules As we are mobile with our yachts, we get to sail under 3 Regions, YNZ and MNZ rules .. these vary every where we go. Whats allowed in one region, isn't in the next. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dutyfree 170 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Here is a link to the 2014 drowning statistics. http://www.drownbase.org.nz/assets/Annual-Drowning-Reports/2014-Drowning-Report-web-copy.pdf Not sure why 2015 is not available. Most deaths are in inland still water, tidal and rivers. Powerboats out drown yachts, but I assume that is driven by fizz boats (sorry I am an ex-yachtie and now launch owner). I think we should raise this with the Auckland ratepayers association or the NZ Taxpayers Union. Both are entities that like fighting against stupidity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armchairadmiral 411 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 As you would expect this report doesn't tell the whole story that would define that wholesale enforcement of life jacket wearing with accompanying penalties would have made any difference. My guess from these stats is mot much ! And it doesn't differentiate death by hypothermia that causes the drowning either.The more you look at it this compulsory lifejacket thing is a crock for bureaucrats fundraising. The only bit that affects most on this forum is in tenders commuting to other boats / shore. YNZ could help here too but I doubt it.Why would they go out for Joe Blow Average .? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ScottiE 174 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Here is MNZ's actual press release http://www.maritimenz.govt.nz/public/news/media-releases-2016/20161020a.asp And so basically MNZ has provided addtionally funding to the Harbourmasters to force them to enforce the law "for about five days" over summer. We can just only hope that the harbourmasters use it to target the "most at risk" rather than "the most able to pay a fine". Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clipper 343 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 My opinion of the harbourmaster in auckland is currently very high. I actually doubt he will choose to ping dinghies going ashore from anchored boats. Ive not heard good things about some other regions though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
armchairadmiral 411 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 Hope springs eternal ScottiE. Follow the money.....out of Westhaven and HMB to any sheltered anchorage on those days and BINGO.There will be the Pointy Heads complete with cap,badge,clipboard,ticket book and overseas accent ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin McCready 83 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 So now we're dissing people whose accents are different. Sounds racist to me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 000 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 So now we're dissing people whose accents are different. Sounds racist to me. Wow! You take umbrage at a lot of stuff... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin McCready 83 Posted November 1, 2016 Share Posted November 1, 2016 It makes the world a better place when people care Chris. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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