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List is 90k euro exl. tax and sails.

 

Add carbon mast, lifting keel, full set of laminate sails, NKE autopilot, raft, and some electronics.130k. euro.

Pogo Structures will add lots of ocean goodies at cost (significantly cheaper than you could buy anything for... anywhere) so, drop another 10k into it.

 

Turn up in France with a bunch of your sailing gear, step on, and have a blast bringing her home. 

 

Pay your 15%gst and 5% duty when you get here on the now depreciated value (10000nm under her keel). (start with a set of far east dacron sails and keep the goodies for when you get here.)

 

Smoke everyone - especially singlehanded.

 

 

 

About a year from now they'll start our build.

 

 

B00B00, how do you think the Pogo 36 will stack up against the Sunfast 3600?

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Muzzled, yes it's a great cruising boat and he has been cruising it solo for 6 months now.

Huge cockpit, huge aft locker and plenty of room downstairs. Also a super easy to sail with no running backstays and a nice cockpit layout. The interior is basic but very functional.

 

I think the pogo 36 would be a fair bit quicker than the sunfast but probably no where near as competitive on IRC. Each ťheir own I suppose.

 

The pogo 1250 would be my dream boat.

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How come NZ yacht owners have been happy to accept the 10 x increase in their house prices in the last thirty years, but still think a 9m keel boat should be $100K? The cost of designing, setting up moulds, ironing out the problems and marketing a yacht is huge. The real cost of new yachts has plummeted, so much so that there are no NZ new production yachts to buy, as they can't compete. Yet still there are price complaints...

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Tim c yes but houses are a priority over boats , and nz shot it’s self regards building boats as the cost is to high in the set up ,New Zealand manufactures want all there cost back in the first few sales Foreign manufactures spread costs over a long period so can take a slice of the market Nz is to dear in most idustries to deal with , just look at your own running costs. ,

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It is a numbers game and no kiwi yard is or was going to successfully compete with the yards say in La Rochelle etc.

I would wager that there are not  many here with the dosh to buy a new high quality import.

Hence the rise in numbers of the cheaper mass produced brands which actually are not that cheap once landed.

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Pogo make ~13 of their 36' per year. They send them globally. How big do the production numbers have to be to play the numbers game? Nearly everything on the boat is made in EU/US - next to nothing is out of Asia, and they offer extras almost at cost, not adding any more than the barest minimum markup for handling etc.

Example: Vinyl wrap in your choice of colour for +€1K 

 

Given the labour cost in NZ is relatively low compared to other 1st world countries, we're either offering the wrong boats, or we're gouging/being gouged (suppliers), or we're just plain inefficient.

 

We should easily be able to compete on the international market for something that is high quality and exported globally. We have great designers, and a great history of making fast boats and of breaking the mould.

 

The market is there, and Pogo Structures are proving it.

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We’re at the bottom end of the world , our designers are few , and not up in the class as some in the EU etc , why would you come here to buy a production boat. ,we offer non , even out best designers live off shore where the masses are , the turnover , the better weather. ,and economy. Supper yachts built here but only the odd one , labour for these is cheep , and the business cost are left here once the boat sails away

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We’re at the bottom end of the world, yup, but it's a global economy and stuff is sent everywhere , our designers are few , and not up in the class as some in the EU etc I would think that we have a few designers who are up in the same class as EU etc. , why would you come here to buy a production boat (why not?). ,we offer non (not yet...), even out best designers live off shore where the masses are (this is true that were we to have a production setup, then a large % of our output would have to be exported adding the transport costs, and that in France for example, likely 60% or more of the orders are sailed on their own bottoms directly from the yards.) , the turnover , the better weather (debatable..). ,and economy. Supper yachts built here but only the odd one , labour for these is cheep , and the business cost are left here once the boat sails away

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Well doctor Watson wich designer living in nz heads a production line of modern cruisers being manufactured in nz and being sold all over the world Zilch You wouldn’t come to nz and have a boatbuilt and sail it home Yes some are in the big luxury size but not in the 30 to 50 footers and then there is the weather to cope with , I have been to these country’s and see the set up we can’t compete

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Well doctor Watson wich designer living in nz heads a production line of modern cruisers being manufactured in nz and being sold all over the world Zilch 

I wasn't saying there was a designer with production in NZ, just that we have designers who could. I know it's not done in NZ, but I'm looking for hard evidence for why it couldn't be done. We have fast, fun boats designed and built in NZ, true they're usually one-offs and $$, but what's stopping those being put into production? Or something like them? How many units should you look at to spread the development and tooling cost over? The Pogo 1050 sold something around 80-90 units. Additionally, does the designer need to be based in NZ? likely not.

 

Yes you're unlikely to sail your new boat home from NZ, unlike in Europe, as I also commented on. But it's not impossible, and if the yard were to offer some sort of service?

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Given the labour cost in NZ is relatively low compared to other 1st world countries, we're either offering the wrong boats, or we're gouging/being gouged (suppliers), or we're just plain inefficient.

 

We should easily be able to compete on the international market for something that is high quality and exported globally. We have great designers, and a great history of making fast boats and of breaking the mould.

 

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We’re at the bottom end of the world , our designers are few , and not up in the class as some in the EU etc , why would you come here to buy a production boat. ,we offer non , even out best designers live off shore where the masses are , the turnover , the better weather. ,and economy. Supper yachts built here but only the odd one , labour for these is cheep , and the business cost are left here once the boat sails away

 

We can debate whether there are fundamental factors that would make it more or less difficult for a NZ production operation to compete successfully, either locally or internationally, but ultimately it also requires entrepreneurs who are willing to make the investment and see it as a way to money with better risk/return potential than the other opportunities they see available. Evidently we currently lack those people, or there are simpler, safer ways to make money.

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Thread drift. Which nz designers? The days when we lead the world are farr gone.

Elliott? BBW? Edlin? All have had some pretty big successes over the years and are more than capable of designing something equivalent to/better than any of the awb production boats.

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