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I'm confused.

Is the problem a jetski going too fast? what has that got to do with discussing the murdering of someone?

Jetski's are a known problem. There is also a known system of dealing with them. Getting all vigilante is one thing, and I understand the frustration around jetski's. But are you guys actually discussing the justification of homicide cause someone is going too fast on a jetski? What are you going to do? walk up to someone at the boat ramp and attack them with a filleting knife?

Just breath in, breath out, count to ten, and get some perspective....

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Interesting to note that all boats are at anchor, (not sure if that includes Dtwo's) yes the sea flea may piss you off re noise etc. but is he actually doing anything dangerous? I would have thought that the rules would / should apply when yachts / boats are under navigation. I saw something similar at Whakapirau, sea fleas zooming "safely" a spectator on the beach getting upset and agitated for no reasonable reason.

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8 minutes ago, Steve Pope said:

Interesting to note that all boats are at anchor, (not sure if that includes Dtwo's) yes the sea flea may piss you off re noise etc. but is he actually doing anything dangerous? I would have thought that the rules would / should apply when yachts / boats are under navigation. I saw something similar at Whakapirau, sea fleas zooming "safely" a spectator on the beach getting upset and agitated for no reasonable reason.

Well imagine if your kids are swimming around the back of the boat and the jetski comes around the front.  So yes, it's obviously dangerous.  It is also illegal and ignorant.

The 5 knot law applies 200m from shore and 50m from other vessels.  Clearly this guy doesn't know, doesn't care, or both.

And to calm down those who would suggest murder would be a disproportionate response, I'll spell it out:  the topic post was tongue-in-cheek.  Take a breath.

Breaking legs - too much?

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40 minutes ago, Dtwo said:

And to calm down those who would suggest murder would be a disproportionate response, I'll spell it out:  the topic post was tongue-in-cheek.  Take a breath.

Breaking legs - too much?

Apparently Trump was talkin tongue in check the other day too... ;-)

I've always thought it important to prove they are breaking navigation bylaws. How do you prove they are within 50 m of you? If you can throw an empty glass bottle and hit them, they'd def be within 50 m. Even if you miss, those empties float, and wont do well if it at high speed. Could damage their machine...

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11 hours ago, Fish said:

Apparently Trump was talkin tongue in check the other day too... ;-)

I've always thought it important to prove they are breaking navigation bylaws. How do you prove they are within 50 m of you? If you can throw an empty glass bottle and hit them, they'd def be within 50 m. Even if you miss, those empties float, and wont do well if it at high speed. Could damage their machine...

Proof? Thats easy, Section 25 Evidence Act - opinion evidence is admissible from experts. The court would readily accept evidence from a harbour master who would state there qualifications and experience then give evidence on a speed and distance estimate based on the video. Police can also prosecute speeding offences this way but it is rare these days. So the video and some S25 evidence would cover it nicely.

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12 hours ago, Dtwo said:

Well imagine if your kids are swimming around the back of the boat and the jetski comes around the front.  So yes, it's obviously dangerous.  It is also illegal and ignorant.

The 5 knot law applies 200m from shore and 50m from other vessels.  Clearly this guy doesn't know, doesn't care, or both.

And to calm down those who would suggest murder would be a disproportionate response, I'll spell it out:  the topic post was tongue-in-cheek.  Take a breath.

Breaking legs - too much?

Well said. The dangers are obvious.

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Personally I've never been too bothered by Jetski's, or by big launches making massive wakes. Seriously its not worth the heartburn or for that matter telling the world you'd like to kill people over it. Once I had some guy run his genset all night, someone else had their windwill running at full tit all night as well, yet another guy chucked his anchor over mine in fitzroy in a blow but you know what- it really doesnt matter in the grand scheme. 

A note on jetskies, most of these people are not "mariners" or "yachties" they are usually guys who ride them like motocross bikes.

 

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21 hours ago, Fish said:

What are you going to do? walk up to someone at the boat ramp and attack them with a filleting knife?

You escalated that quickly!!!

I didn't get that sort of vibe from this thread and I'm really not sure why you did?

That aside, a little person swimming behind the boat wouldn't stand a chance if this guy comes hurtling along unannounced.

I personally have nothing against jetskis and have even considered getting one myself for fishing (perfect for getting over the shallow bar where we keep our caravan) but they need to be operated sensibly so that they don't excessively impact on other peoples enjoyment of the water.

At our regular holiday spot I would say about 70% of the jetskis and 30% of the fizz boats are exceeding the 5 knot rule through the estuary where many people enjoy swimming and harvesting seafood.

I'm interested to find out the details of this incident...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.stuff.co.nz/bay-of-plenty/123872638/jetski-incident-appears-to-have-caused-death-of-man-found-in-river-police-say&ved=2ahUKEwjRtbTxg5LuAhUr7XMBHTBmDHoQFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3CWzN4c4wsy11rbwtCq3vE

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The fizz boat I use,less wake 25knts than 5 knts but yep its not safe to do so,The jetskiers who armed with rods etc take things serious those that hang around beaches etc are the cowboys and need to be jumped on.

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they need to be operated sensibly so that they don't excessively impact on other peoples enjoyment of the water

I totally agree but here is the rub; other peoples enjoyment of the water might be different to ours. If you think about it there is the safety side and its just thoughtless to hoon around moored boats for that very reason.

Jestskies are a bit of an affront to birdsong in a quiet bay but to some people going for a burn on glassy water is their idea of a really good time and who am I to impose my values on them as long as they stick to sabres advice above.

 

 

 

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