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7 minutes ago, KM... said:

I see awesome ROI's in regards to stories, the effort involved, the costs, the learning, the heritage protection and more.

You see ROI's in $$ term.

Horses for courses.

No, that's not quite right. I see ROI for sailing in the ratio of time fixing / repairing to sailing / chilling out in the environment. The primary thing for me is time, and money forms a proxy for time. I need money so I have the time to go sailing, but I need to spend my time working, to make the money, but because I'm working, I don't have the time to go sailing...

Heritage protection is a different angle altogether. And if this were a classic, yes definitely. But its not.

One element would be the quality kauri planking. You can't get that anymore. KM, are you looking for a new project? you sound sweet on it already?

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We, like most humans, prefer to prioritise things we each find enjoyable or derive significant satisfaction from over things we don't and most are willing to pay a premium for that, exactly as you, I and most reading this do with our boats.

For you that's cruising over making and creating but as I find cruising very boring now I far prefer to make n create.

So to you this 'possible project in waiting' has very low value but for me the idea of bring a classic in waiting back from the dead is quite exciting in many ways.

But to answer the last sentence and considering the Wa is still not over the last maritime shopping trip ūüėē, I'm prioritising a life, mine, by buying a bulldozer not another boat.

As I said horses for courses.

I have lots of Kauri, the majority being alive and growing well but I'm sure finding enough to rebuild her wouldn't be hard. Would you even use Kauri today? Probably knot.

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That is very profound KM.

I'm sure if the scale of the project required, it would be possible to rustle up the required kauri. For the odd job on our kauri log we have used (I think) macrocarpa with a lot of everdure style epoxy penetrating resin, or lumps of teak. Either way, the jobs we have done have been heavily encased in epoxies, so they are far closer to the composite spectrum than classic wood, and the rot resistant attributes are dealt with by the epoxy and not the traits of the wood.

A bulldozer? I'm not sure how to say this KM, but unless you are getting into earth-moving contracting game, anything that requires a bulldozer is a far, far bigger project than the Reptile ever was, or will be....

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Yeap with todays 'additives' it opens up the material options a lot. Much of the Reptile is untreated pine and other assorted stuff from my years of hoarding. Selected with caution, glassed in and sealed well, perfect.

I'm building a lake to help the 1000 extra trees we're planting to help expand the local Nature Diversity Highway. Also the extra water will be used with restoring 2 beaten up once were and will be again shortly back to fully functioning wetlands. I'm not doing that just with a spade.

Nature Diversity Highway - the joining up of patches of bush/forest by replanting open grass/pasture with new bush. This is so wildlife can move between the patches of bush with some cover as most won't do open ground. That way we can encourage diversity in the local wildlife and not leave them stuck in isolated patches marrying their sisters.

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Even IF you could find the money and commitment to restore this wreck and even IF the total cost came in close to fair market value for a similar boat - forget it. After this much publicity this boat will always be recognisable and carry the stigma - I’m guessing the true market value would be discounted by 30-50% as a result. The only likely motivation to take this on would be someone with an existing emotional investment in the boat eg family or former owner etc.

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Exactly. It’s being sold by the insurer which means the owners have been paid out an agreed amount. The insurer is just trying to recover sone costs however little. In these situations passionate owners have been known to buy the wreck back off the insurer and use the money they were paid out to restore it again. I don’t see that making sense here.

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1 hour ago, Fogg said:

Even IF you could find the money and commitment to restore this wreck and even IF the total cost came in close to fair market value for a similar boat - forget it. After this much publicity this boat will always be recognisable and carry the stigma - I’m guessing the true market value would be discounted by 30-50% as a result. The only likely motivation to take this on would be someone with an existing emotional investment in the boat eg family or former owner etc.

A lot of well known boats have been on the bottom. Nothing wrong with a good pickling! But I agree it's a big project. Someone may well learn that a boats hull is the easy & cheap bit.

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15 hours ago, KM... said:

 

I'm building a lake to help the 1000 extra trees we're planting to help expand the local Nature Diversity Highway. Also the extra water will be used with restoring 2 beaten up once were and will be again shortly back to fully functioning wetlands. I'm not doing that just with a spade.

This is very good.  Where is this? Up at Barrie's Bach?

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So, rather than a case of "Stay the f**k from Waikalabubu Bay", are these the three rocks below that we need to be an eagled eyed beaver about when sailing or anchoring in that area?  
One little nasty to the north west of Billy Goat Pt, and two little nasties to the south east?

This guy didn't hit some uncharted rock that remains uncharted?
 

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If you eye ball that area between your marked rocks, you will see the whole area is foul ground really. Just give it a wide berth. Waikalabubu Bay itself is fine, its the rocky area around the point. I don't think this rock was 'unchartered' as such. But in saying that, in areas of foul ground, like around rocking points, not every little lump and pointy bit is chartered. It is the difference between pilotage (looking at where you are) and relying on electronics for navigation. At 2 and 5 m contours, a chart plotter always makes things look cleaner than they are.

Always sobering to look at an area like this at a spring low tide.

PS, those rocks are already inside the 2 m contour. I'd say you'd be a brave man going inside the 2 m contour there while transiting the point. You don't have to move very far out to be in the 5 m contour. Far lower risk of percussion hydrography.

As an aside, you can get recording sounders now for not much, about $300. They record the depth and contours everywhere you go, so you build up your own high res charts. Targeted for fisho's looking for structures. I'm keen to get one for the interest side of it. Doesn't sit that far up the list of things requiring boat dollars though...

"quick draw" contours.

https://www.marine-deals.co.nz/fish-finders/garmin-striker-plus-4-fishfinder-with-gps-track-plotter?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_ZLxw_Sj7wIVBbeWCh3hbANDEAYYASABEgKSN_D_BwE

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33 minutes ago, Fish said:

If you eye ball that area between your marked rocks, you will see the whole area is foul ground really. Just give it a wide berth. Waikalabubu Bay itself is fine, its the rocky area around the point. I don't think this rock was 'unchartered' as such. But in saying that, in areas of foul ground, like around rocking points, not every little lump and pointy bit is chartered. It is the difference between pilotage (looking at where you are) and relying on electronics for navigation. At 2 and 5 m contours, a chart plotter always makes things look cleaner than they are.

Always sobering to look at an area like this at a spring low tide.

PS, those rocks are already inside the 2 m contour. I'd say you'd be a brave man going inside the 2 m contour there while transiting the point. You don't have to move very far out to be in the 5 m contour. Far lower risk of percussion hydrography.

As an aside, you can get recording sounders now for not much, about $300. They record the depth and contours everywhere you go, so you build up your own high res charts. Targeted for fisho's looking for structures. I'm keen to get one for the interest side of it. Doesn't sit that far up the list of things requiring boat dollars though...

"quick draw" contours.

https://www.marine-deals.co.nz/fish-finders/garmin-striker-plus-4-fishfinder-with-gps-track-plotter?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI_ZLxw_Sj7wIVBbeWCh3hbANDEAYYASABEgKSN_D_BwE

Another area which will catch you out at high tide snapper bay motuhihi island.approachibg from the west.

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17 hours ago, Fish said:

Good work KM. You must have done well to get an, er, resource consent out of Northland Regional Council so quickly...

There is no resource to consent until I create it. Kaipara DC.

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50 minutes ago, KM... said:

There is no resource to consent until I create it. Kaipara DC.

Maybe so, but if you are pushing dirt around with a dozzer, esp near water courses, you'd do well to have your arse covered with some paper work of some sort. Either that or don't mention it to anyone, like on the interweb and stuff. Even if it is a permitted activity, you can get a certificate of compliance so no one gets their tits in a tangle.

KDC are the all time world record holder for beauracratic fuckery, make NDC, and even Auckland Council look like rank amateurs.

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Yes I am aware of KDC's bizarre history and said fuckery. Worse than Akl I find very hard to believe considering how AKl Council and it's CCO's intentionally ignore laws, their own and Wellingtons, almost hourly.

I have a 'cock womble prevention plan' ready, as I do with things like this. 

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9 hours ago, harrytom said:

Another area which will catch you out at high tide snapper bay motuhihi island.approachibg from the west.

SNAPPER BAY:  As per the chart below:

"CAUTION NOTE: Mariners advised that uncharted reefs may exist in this area "

I'd be given it a wide berth too if rounding that area - I'm not a fishermen so I indeed will stay well the fark away from Snapper Bay

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went in there for a club picnic,yep go from 5m to looking at rocks real quick.Good holding though.

chart shows it to be rockier than it is.Nice beach.Stayed the night and if your in to Kiwis,just up from the shoreline (100 m)you will see them at dusk.Interesting part of the island.

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