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Looking for recommendations for budget keeler.

Want something for family to learn to sail and over night on.  Not looking to surf downwind -  stability / safety and comfort are the name of the game.

Needs at least three adult berths.

Been looking around on trademe, thoughts on the boats below?  Or other suggestion, $10k is near upper limit.

Davidson 28, H28, San juan 34, Tracker 7.7

 

Not looking for a restoration project, just want to get out and sail.  Would be great if the boat was capable of sailing to Barrier and Bay of islands.

Have sailed Dingy's and owned a 20ft trailer sailer back in the 90's, the finer points of sail trim still elude me but I can sail in a rough and ready manner and have my yacht masters cert.

Mike

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I would seriously consider a Raven 26. Well balanced and ideal first keeler to teach the family how to sail and has as much interior volume as many older 30 footers. We had one for 13 years. Seve

Sold? Owned? Disrespected? Slept with?  I'm guessing Sold.

Excuse me while I don the rose tinted specs and chuck in a couple of cents; I sailed on a few Ravens back in the 70s. Our family had Cleo for a while. Had lots of fun on them, they're a good soli

I'm not familiar with the San Juan, but from the other 3 designs you mention it sounds like you're on the right track for the kind of use you describe. H28 is an older concept than the other 2, doesn't have quite the volume and is slower.

That said, for what it sounds like you're after, any of the 3 including the H28 are well suited. Could also look at a raven 26, which are quite roomy for 26 feet and plenty capable. Probably best to look (as long as its something popular ish like the ones you mention) for the boat that's had the most love/use/money spent lately as you can find rather than focusing on just one design. Project boats can seem cheap at first but the cost of sorting them out can add up very quickly. Sails/engine/rigging/deck gear/instruments/refridgeration/batteries/lines/toilets/squabs/safety gear etc tend to all be more expensive than you think so finding one that's been at least maintained if not upgraded with these things is well worth it. 

 

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Easterly 30 is great. I bought it for same reasons. We've been to Barrier a few times. You are welcome to come and sail mine. My wife and I are getting a little bit older and are planning to downsize soon. https://kmccready.wordpress.com/?s=easterly

And here's my sailing story FWIW. https://kmccready.wordpress.com/2014/06/30/sailing/

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Raven 26 as advised by Raz is a perfect started yacht for what your family are seeking.
You'll pay between $5-15K depending on condition or how good the engine is, so $10K should get you a reasonably good one these days.

If you find an extra $10K under the mattress, my friend Brian has his junk rigged Raven 26 for sale.
Boat is moored in Auckland, despite him living in Canterbury.  
https://www.trademe.co.nz/a/motors/boats-marine/yachts/search?bof=6s8doi7b&search_string=raven 26

Junk rigs are super simple to sail, all sail raising and reefing can be done in seconds and from the safety of the cockpit - a real feature for someone with a young family to share the boat with.

 

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3 good responses all worth serious consideration there Full Circle.

I'd take Kevin up on his gracious offer for 3 reasons, 1 is you get to go for a sail, 2nd is you can use that to get a sort of datum so to speak and 3rd is his is a tidy E30 so an ideal opportunity to have a hands on of a boat that does fit your shopping list very well.

A shed load of H28's have gone offshore sailing and gone great...if not the fastest while doing it.

Ravens are very underrated by far too many.

I would throw into the mix one significance difference between say a R26/Easterly 30 and the longer San juan 34 to use your example, berthing costs. Also to a degree running costs. While going from 30 to say 35ft sounds OK you do run the risk of stepping up to a new 'cost bracket' in many things like berthage, sails and so on. In todays world buy a yacht is easy and you will be buying for a fraction of build/replacement cost so many sneak up a few feet to find the running costs jump disproportionally.

 

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27 minutes ago, KM... said:

3 good responses all worth serious consideration there Full Circle.

I'd take Kevin up on his gracious offer for 3 reasons, 1 is you get to go for a sail, 2nd is you can use that to get a sort of datum so to speak and 3rd is his is a tidy E30 so an ideal opportunity to have a hands on of a boat that does fit your shopping list very well.

A shed load of H28's have gone offshore sailing and gone great...if not the fastest while doing it.

Ravens are very underrated by far too many.

I would throw into the mix one significance difference between say a R26/Easterly 30 and the longer San juan 34 to use your example, berthing costs. Also to a degree running costs. While going from 30 to say 35ft sounds OK you do run the risk of stepping up to a new 'cost bracket' in many things like berthage, sails and so on. In todays world buy a yacht is easy and you will be buying for a fraction of build/replacement cost so many sneak up a few feet to find the running costs jump disproportionally.

 

Good point about berthing costs KM.

That's one of the nice attributes of the Raven 26 - keep the berthing costs at the lower level, while still having a sh#tload of room down below.  In fact a Raven down below has as much if not more than some older 30 footers.

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Too true, the Ravens are like a Tardis............. some even come with a weird dude who dresses funny installed.......... mind you that's not specific to Ravens :)

Also 30 and down are far easier to handle when single handed which means also easier to handle for a potentially nervous significant other.

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Full Circle, I think the boat length you are considering needs to be refined. The range of 25 to 32 is like the difference between a miniVan and a small Bus. To be comfortable with say 3 to 4 on board, drop anything from below 28ft. Under 28 pretty much takes you into day sailors. 28 and above puts you into a different class of boat altogether, having likely been designed with a different kind of sailing in mind.
       Same can be said re the budget. 10K is a pretty small budget, but deals can also be had. However the difference in quality available between 10K and 20K is a whole nother world. Just remember that the more the boat is worth initially, should usually (although not always) reflect in what is needed to be put into the boat after purchase. Or even, is it worth putting anything into the boat afterwards.
      And finally, do not limit considerations to Boats of just 10K. I would look at a range up to say 20K. Many think their boat is worth way more than it really is. You can often come back at them with a list of maintenance issues and have the price reduced accordingly. Or just throw in an offer and see what happens.

On TM, there are several H28's in your price range at the mo. They are slow, but forgiving and were designed with cruising in mind. But be aware of the old Wooden ones in the area of the Bow sprit. That was a place of rot that takes some serious work and cost to fix. There are also a few others that range between 15 to 20K. A 1020 that started at a dollar, but is not near 10K and should go for a heck of a lot if there are people looking. Could be worth keeping an eye on in case there are not.
 

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