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Now we have lying prosecution witnesses. MNZ case is getting even more tenuous. Difficult to make this up. Just saying. A commercial fisherman sent to rescue ten men in the water after the Enchanter fishing charter capsized off Northland has admitted in court he was fishing in weather he'd earlier said was too dangerous to be out in. Maritime New Zealand's case is Enchanter's skipper should've known a front that smashed Northland overnight Saturday and early Sunday would have continued to impact sea conditions long after it'd passed. Text messages between the Florence N

As per my previous post. Note to clarify, I'm not making any ascertains as to where the capsize happened. I'm just pointing out that there are no facts as to where it happened, and the evidence MNZ is using to say it happened elsewhere from where the skipper said he was - is tenuous.

Sounds idyllic. Not sure how that tech talk got in your thread. Keen to know where you got that big mat. My wife wants one for next summer. (She just doesn't know it yet)

But if the capsize happened where you are claiming, (well east of Miromoto) then the people would of followed the easterly drift of the epirb and not been up against the rocks and the land. Are you suggesting that the current and winds changed direction in the 45 minutes between the capsize and the epirb being activated? (this isn't supported by the facts). I think that you are confusing facts with evidence. The facts are that the current was pushing easterly as shown by the modeling. The evidence of the epirb following the easterly current supports the facts. So how did the

Crickey, have you read anything or are you ignorant? MNZ are inferring the position of the capsize from the location of the EPRIB activation, and saying that based on that, he wasn't where he said he was. Accept, the EPIRB was not activated for 45 minutes after the capsize. So where did the capsize happen? If the EPIRB drifted for 45minutes, what grounds have you got to say the capsize didn't happen where he said he was? I love it how people form opinions based on a couple of social media posts and then call for the guy to be hanged, when they clearly aren't across the issu

They are not confidence inspiring for a yachtie, I have always had concerns about some of our local pleasure launches running up to the pacific islands, however in their favour the ones I know have fitted strongly fastened shutters over the windows and fuel up to the extent that they can use their speed if calm enough to make the passage very quickly in the most benign weather they can.

In flat water with nobody on the fly bridge I presume? So all charter vessels are tested and certified? Going up a steep wave at an angle you could approximately subtract a portion of the angle of the face from that. Supestructure could go beyond the horizontal. The more beam on the worse it would get. I have no experience in high CofG /windage power boats.

AVS 70 degrees as tested, and K those Epirb drifts are logged not modelled.

Stepping Out has been about on the gulf this summer and autumn. I know it goes against the grain for some people. They think boats are for building, or fixing, or sitting on in a marina, or putting off until next weekend. This little Spencer goes sailing. To Coromandel and it's offshore islands. And now to Great Barrier via Port Jackson. VID_20240509_110246.mp4

"witnesses report a rogue wave. Even MNZ have conceded rogue waves are a real thing." On my last cruise in March i was in 25-30 knots SE heading from slipper Island to great mercury. Big lumpy sea from starboard quarter. One wave appeared from abeam much larger and moving faster. It crested and hit athwart ships and moved us bodily sideways, I don't know how far. Tui is a Farrier 41 and we had the Boards up (running) if they were down I don't know what would happen- break the Boards? Flip the boat? We were in +50m water. I don't know what that wave would have done to a boat when i

I am curious as to what the angle of vanishing stability for that vessel was, if they can even do one without pulling the superstructure off or deforming it? The dynamics of what actually happened will probably never be known, but the observer saying the wave hadn’t “crested” and then inrush from the breaking wave thru saloon window ,( from breaking wave), is not consistent. More likely is that the shouts coming from occupants inside being the thrown to starboard and having the starboard windows implode on them as the vessel rotated to strbd. Have been caught a few times in triple

Yes, the whole debate, and infact the whole prosecution relies on establishing where he was at the time of the incident. We all understand that. That quote, "about as equally likely" in itself demonstrates high uncertainty as to exactly where he was when this happened. On the EPIRB drift, have you ever been to a surf beach? Muriwai for example? You can have tonnes of water pushing in at one spot, and literally 10m to one side, you can have a 3knt current ripping out. Most people on here should be able to understand rips. It is perfectly feasible for the incident to have occurred wher

From that article Know your boat’s limitations: Do not expect your boat to cope with conditions it is not designed for. Don’t take it on a long sea passage if it’s not designed to survive knockdowns and roll-overs: stick to coastal waters where you can run to shelter if the weather turns nasty. That's not bad luck.

Be the same inquest for recreational. Lost of lives. Certainly appearing that Lance strayed of course and in to shallows..Would be looking at sounder or looking at waves and getting best angle? Think defense lawyer is non maritime,saw the bit about the cray fisherman who said he had a early day,7 to 3 is a early day for those when on the crays.A lot work well in to the night clearing pots.

https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/sailing-skills/sunk-in-a-storm-with-no-liferaft-lessons-learned-81596

Trying hard here K, read the report. The EPIRB ping was right on the shelf and given the drift pattern is eastwards then draw your own conclusions Why it happened The Enchanter should easily have coped with the sea conditions off North Cape at the time of the accident. However, it is about as likely as not the vessel had strayed into shallower water off Murimotu Island, an area that is prone to occasional, naturally occurring, larger waves peaking as they entered the shallowing water. When the Enchanter rapidly rolled onto its side, the force of the water exceeded the design parame

Not everybody.

We get back eddies in our river all the time. The tide will be bombing in, and at the same time there will be an outgoing current along one side. Given the complexities of wind, tide, current, swell and wave action, it is not possible for anyone to predict with any certainty a drift pattern with enough certainty to convict someone. Given that they couldn't find the missing people, nor actually find the wreck post rescue validates this. And on the missing people, this demonstrates dispersion modelling. As in, they all went in different directions. they spread out. So if the people and wrec

Awesome, thanks for the advice!

Somewhat unsavoury after the fact and perhaps little consolation for those that lost family and friends. But, it remains, cause effect are how we move forward. The track of the EPIRB, current mapping and the account given by skipper/crew are at odds. The current mapping shows North rotating thru NW around cape at 1930. At 2130 the current has decrease with a more north aspect going NE . The Epirb track confirms this.. The survivors say they could see between Murimotu isl and North cape before and after the roll. If they were North of the shoal, looking SW how did the EPIRB travel

Peter "Shay" Ward, an experienced commercial fisherman from Te Awamutu, was one of eight friends who signed up for a five-day trip to the Three Kings Islands just over two years ago. Ward told the court he was sitting on the rear deck on the evening of 20 March, 2022, as the Enchanter was nearing its planned anchorage for the night below the North Cape lighthouse. At the time the wind was light, about 12-13 knots, and the swell about two metres, he said. The other passengers were relaxing in the cabin so they didn't see the wave coming. "I remember seeing that swell

Yep, don't even need to suck, Fit a tank/deck penetration, attach a hose, it'll float right on up! Diving at the depths involved is expensive, but it's all achievable.

Seems he was in very shallow water indeed. From the TAIC report..

Could they use a big long hose to suck it up?

Now is a good time to go. Boats are heading up to the Pacific Islands this month. Contact Island Cruising Association, or look on the Opua facebook groups.