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Thinking about this lifejacket thing again, we often wear lifejackets when going ashore in the dinghy. We often wear then whilst sailing and always whilst kayaking so one might logically ask, so what's the problem with making it compulsory?

The answer is with the 'compulsory' word which just doesn't sit well with all you bloody-minded sailors.

And I'm the same. Let me make my own decision and I'll probably wear one. Make it compulsory and, well, sod 'em.

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Likewise I have absolutely no problem wearing a lifejacket when appropriate to do so.  I'll wear one paddling or motoring out to the boat, even though I've swum my windsurfing gear back to shore after breakage in the same body of water - and lived!

But I don't see why I should donn one to ferry picnic gear from boat 30m off Ocean Beach to shore in water I can pretty much stand in, or while mucking about with the kids on paddleboards in water they can stand in, or while I'm sitting in my dinghy under the tramps doing something or . . . or . . .

Like Chris said its the "Compulsory" and "no excuses" jargon that gets up my nose.  There are times where not wearing a life jacket is appropriate and my concern is that clipboard weilding bearucrats with either no interest in pragmatism ("no excuses") or no actual experience in boating (for whatever reason - including not being originally from this country) might rock up and issue me a fine.

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Unthinking enforcement of rules can have some unfortunate side effects.  When some bunch of desk bound bureaucrats start enforcing life jacket wearing (and/or carrying) on every short dinghy trip they are increasing the exposure of the jackets to sand, salt water, UV, theft, and more importantly, when things do go wrong instead of the jackets being in the emergency grab bag, or some other specific location, the life jackets will be who knows where - in the dinghy, on someone's bunk, in a bag somewhere....  After 40 years in aviation I'm pretty sure that safety is not something that is achieved by dumb, unthinking application of a few specific rules.  In fact the teaching that you don't assess the risks, you just unthinkingly follow a few rules, you increase the risks in any complex process.

And of course as someone mentioned earlier, the fact that the rules vary from region to region is just plain barking mad.  Imagine if we had road rules, or CAA had different rules for flying that varied region to region.  Industry would tear the government from limb to limb.  But because boaties are a loose knit and diverse group we lack the ability to stop this regional nonsense.   Wait for the new rules that require each boat to carry bailer, comms, flares, etc AND a chart that clearly shows the boundaries of regional councils, so that the skipper knows which rules are in force!

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We don't like and nothing supports us having to be teated like idiots.

 

 

And hence why we don't like OSH telling us we can't do something we have been doing all our lives with no problem.

Anyway....yet another stupid part to this life jacket thing is the policing. So regions don't have decent enough budgets to patrol. How silly is that. But it is not isolated to just this situation. You all know we have serious fishing restrictions down here. Well last labour weekend, Lady Liz the Police boat came across from Wellington to patrol the Sounds. I forget the exact number of boats stopped. Something like 100. 16 of those Boats had breached the rules. 3 were serious breaches and will result in Court. Issues of too many Fish, under size and over and a Commercial Charter operator who was found with 30 filleted Cod on board. You are not allowed to transport Cod filleted through the closed area. Anyway...what I am really saying here is that Lady Liz had to come across from Wellington. So how many times do the Fisheries guys get out there to check? It's one thing about breaking the rules, but you aren't going to stop those doing so if they think no one checks anyway.

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Have checked out the Maritime Transport Act 1994, and it makes depressing reading.

Section 14. Heading. 'Seafarers to be involved in the development of Health and Safety procedures.'

Sounds great doesn't it, but guess what, that part of the act has been repealed.

Concerning harbourmasters, they have a statutory right to demand your name and address. Failure to give it will make you liable for 12 months inside or a $10,000 fine.

So better carry lifejackets in the dinghy becasuse one thing for sure,no one in authority is going to listen to commomsense.

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Have checked out the Maritime Transport Act 1994, and it makes depressing reading.

Section 14. Heading. 'Seafarers to be involved in the development of Health and Safety procedures.'

Sounds great doesn't it, but guess what, that part of the act has been repealed.

Concerning harbourmasters, they have a statutory right to demand your name and address. Failure to give it will make you liable for 12 months inside or a $10,000 fine.

So better carry lifejackets in the dinghy becasuse one thing for sure,no one in authority is going to listen to commomsense.

Yes but the harbour master doesn't carry the appropriate warrants to actually arrest you, they will have to make the call to shore and get plod to come and cuff you up, unless of course they have one with them at the time. Just say nothing, as is part of your rights. Also a fisheries officer has the appropriate ministerial warrant to arrest if required so don't f**k with them.

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VB is quite right and what's more anyone who claims powers under that Act must, when asked nicely, produce the warrant, signed by the Minister, for your inspection there and then. If they can't they can not exercise the power they reckon they have.

 

The same applies to more than just HM's. Ask your YNZ Inspector to produce theirs next time they come for a suss ;)

 

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Warning - Thread drift.

This business of 'wear a lifejacket or $300 fine' is symptomatic of all that's wrong in NZ.

We cycle tour a lot overseas, and they generally have the same road signage as we do, No parking, Dump no Rubbish, No overnight Camping etc.

But in NZ it's No parking, offenders will be towed. Dump no Rubbish $500 fine. No overnight camping $300 fine.

Show me a prohibitory sign in NZ that does not have attached all the things the authorities are going to do to you if you're a bit naughty.

This waving the stick business all the time is awful, unnecessary and shows what a draconian society we have allowed ourselves to become. What's the matter with education and gentle persuasion? Why does it have to be 'do this or we'll kick the crap out of you?' As my dear old mum in law used to say, you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

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It's the social engineering experiment that really started gaining momentum under Helen.Seeing how far you can push an isolated community (NZ) how quickly. Helen loaded the judiciary,Local Govt and Govt bureaucracy with sycncophants and this penalty regime is the outcome. Lifejackets BS is symptomatic of nanny state do as you're told or else. And of course there are always people queueing up to kick other people around. Collaborators,Gestapo, Traffic cops,Harbourmasters and staff all have that same type of personalty and the ability to threaten draconian penalty is part and parcel of their power play. I've taken advice from within this forum and got some real old grotty lifejackets to carry. Won't serve any function but they are a sop to the pointy heads and cheaper than a ticket.

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As my dear old mum in law used to say, you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

 

DOC are suggesting charges to walk 'great walks' in nz

 

https://www.odt.co.nz/regions/queenstown/doc-boss-suggests-great-walks-charges

 

as some guy said on the tv

 

" for what, the chance to dirty your boots?"

 

you climb fuji

 

there are rest stop shops where you can buy overpriced ramen along with an over the top view

 

ski in europe

 

and around the corner of a ski run is a small chalet doing a great spag bol with a full glass of red wine in a very memorable setting

 

give people on holiday a reason to spend

 

they're primed for spending

 

not surprise taxation

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