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1 hour ago, marinheiro said:

and yet there seems to be international flights continuing to arrive almost daily from India (rapidly catching up to USA's case count), almost always carrying at least 1 COVID case. Of the 12 cases announced today 10 came from India.

But there is no difference.  Those people are entitled to enter NZ on either a boat or a plane.  They could of sailed here, legally landed at Opua and still bought there 12 Covid cases with them and MiQ would of dealt with it.

3 hours ago, Sabre said:

Still don't get why the NZ government is being such a dick about this whole situation though.

Not directed at you personally, but where should the Government draw the line?

Should they allow cruise ships with 6000 foreign passengers to dock if they have been at sea for 14 days?  Should they allow fully loaded A380-800's with 800 foreign passengers to land and disembark if the country they are coming from assures us that all the passengers were in isolation together for 14 days?

At the moment the line is drawn at Citizens, Permanent Residents, pre-approved Essential Service Workers and boats that meet a "humanitarian or other compelling needs" test - these people can enter by boat, plane and probably, quite legally, parachute.

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8 minutes ago, CarpeDiem said:

Not directed at you personally, but where should the Government draw the line?

I think simple common (uncommon) sense should have been applied.

The cruisers situation is unique as many are effectively gypsies who all logistics aside don't have a home they can just hop on a plane and fly home to.

The cruisers situation is undoubtedly a humanitarian issue and I really don't think a virus should void any countries responsibility to be a responsible international citizen.

At the end of the day they are low numbers, low risk, minimal resources needed to manage and of great benifit to our marine industry. 

And possibly worst of all, many international sailors will now look at NZ as a bunch of dicky cockwombles.

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Playing devils advocate, allowing cruisers in, would create a backdoor into NZ for anyone with the means/money.

I would expect the boat brokers in the pacific could do quite well out of it.  And I am sure the cruisers would be able to charge a hansom price for a couple of extra crew positions.

A lot of people are stranded through no fault of their own and are asking for our help. That includes NZ citizens who don't have the means to get home from across the world.

 

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1 hour ago, Black Panther said:

The difference is that these people are asking for help as through no fault of their own  they have nowhere else safe to go.

They did have somewhere else to go like all cruisers. Back to their home port.

They knew our rules and regulations.Got turned down for visas yet still arrived.

https://www.customs.govt.nz/covid-19/maritime-border/private-yachts-and-sailing-craft

 

Arrivals on superyachts and pleasure craft are not exempt from the current border closure. Departures will be assessed on a case-by-case basis.


New Zealand waters are all water within 12 nautical miles of our coastline.

NZ's border is currently closed to almost all travellers to help stop the spread of COVID-19. Effectively, the NZ border is closed for all but essential travel. Only NZ citizens and residents, as well as some other specified travellers, are permitted to enter NZ without having to apply for an exception.

Visa waiver crew (including Australian citizens not resident in NZ) travelling on superyachts and pleasure craft are not exempt from the closure of NZ’s border, and current immigration instructions state they must be refused entry permission unless they meet one of the exceptions.

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50 minutes ago, CarpeDiem said:

Playing devils advocate, allowing cruisers in, would create a backdoor into NZ for anyone with the means/money.

I would expect the boat brokers in the pacific could do quite well out of it.  And I am sure the cruisers would be able to charge a hansom price for a couple of extra crew positions.

A lot of people are stranded through no fault of their own and are asking for our help. That includes NZ citizens who don't have the means to get home from across the world.

 

Require them to provide evidence that their vessel is their main residence ie they are genuine long term cruisers. 

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It would be fairly straight forward from a bureaucratic point of view to limit exemptions to those who are already in the Pacific now, by the basis of their current visa / passport stamps. The guts of it would be a one off to allow those currently in the pacific to come into NZ.

The issues start up with how long do you let the people stay in NZ, and then, what can they do with their boat, if they aren't allowed to stay? Do you let these people come in, park their boat and fly out straight away (lets say 1 week to get sorted), or do you let them come in and live aboard, in our bays not spending any money until such time as the global pandemic is over and they can continue sailing around the world?

One is easy but doesn't mean live aboards can live aboard, one is outstaying the welcome and causing overstayer issues, which is probably FP's current issue?

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5 minutes ago, Sabre said:

Require them to provide evidence that their vessel is their main residence ie they are genuine long term cruisers. 

If their passport shows they arrived in Fiji/FP etc just prior to the voyage down they can also take a hike.

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6 minutes ago, Black Panther said:

Why does this keep getting repeated when it is not correct?

Please explain why it would not be correct.  Maybe not home port but certainly persons onboard have a country of origin,so why not return there.

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2 minutes ago, Black Panther said:

Why does this keep getting repeated when it is not correct?

Because the media said it?

Apparently they were supposed to know exactly how this covid thing would pan out including how every country would manage their border six months into the future as well.

 

 

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31 minutes ago, harrytom said:

Please explain why it would not be correct.  Maybe not home port but certainly persons onboard have a country of origin,so why not return 

How do you safely sail from Tahiti to Germany in July? What route do you suggest?

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4 minutes ago, Black Panther said:

How do you safely sail from Tahiti to Germany in July? What route do you suggest?

I know nothing about offshore hence why I asked.knowing our laws why did they not try staying put it Aussie? Or do people see

 NZ as a soft

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54 minutes ago, Black Panther said:

How do you safely sail from Tahiti to Germany in July? What route do you suggest?

Its not July, its October. In a month it will be November.

You can go from Tahiti to Europe via Cape Horn, just like some french guy did back in the early 60's, or you could head west, across the top of Aust, across the Indian Ocean and take your pick of the Suez Canal or Cape of Good Hope. By the time you get to Good Hope, it will be Christmas and a few less storms. There is enough of the world's navies around Suez now for it to be safe as houses. Just as long as no one starts a war in any number of the countries in that general area... All you need is a reliable water maker, (either an RO unit, or a tarp with a hole in it...) and quiet a few tins of food.

Plenty have sailed half way around the world none stop. The issue is probably more the wanting to, and the inertia of changing plans from where you actually want to go. Or the hope that some closer country will be reasonable and let you in. Especially if you offer to spend $50k at the first boat yard you find.

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7 hours ago, marinheiro said:

and yet there seems to be international flights continuing to arrive almost daily from India (rapidly catching up to USA's case count), almost always carrying at least 1 COVID case. Of the 12 cases announced today 10 came from India. 

go figure??

And the relevance of NZ residents or citizens returning from India is what?  The reason we have quarantine is because NZers flying in can get here in 24 to 30 hours from anywhere in the world, as of right.  I would like to see a boat get here in 24 hours.

Funny how James Cameron and his film crew (filling their boots with NZ tax payer film subsidies) can get in.  America's cup crews can get in (also for tax payer subsidised activities), but a few hundred boaties cant.  And so what if a bunch of rich super yachts arrived, as long as they can support themselves (a standard requirement to come here as a tourist anyway), go through quarantine, just like the film crew, the americas cup crews etc and then spent money here?? What a bloody tragedy that would be.

What are we scared of, 1m people suddenly sailing to the arse end of the earth, to COVID nirvana??

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We are not scared of anything.

Its called management.

The COVID event is not finished.  No-one can reliably say when that blessed day will arrive.  In that situaiton, we could conceivably have people arrive here and then be unable to leave for an extended period - perhaps up to two years.  Where would they go?  Everywhere is some degree of closed.

Movie crews arrive with documents stipulating their return to point of origin - its common for many work visas including some of staff I have.  Cruising boats, not so much.

They are germans.  Germany has a well funded consular network.  They were not in peril, they were inconvenienced at worse.  Had they been in peril, their government would have stepped in.

The world has changed folks.  The dreamy little gypsy fantasy of moving around the ocean at whim is on hold.  Get used to it.  

 

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5 minutes ago, aardvarkash10 said:

The world has changed folks.  The dreamy little gypsy fantasy of moving around the ocean at whim is on hold.  Get used to it.  

 

More due to paranoid hysteria than any reality.

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