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https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/435470/two-year-rahui-for-waiheke-island-waters-to-protect-kaimoana

Came in to effect today. All for preserving our Kaimoana but unless Govt/Fisheries sign off it is unenforceable. 

This imo is the start of very dangerous slippery slope. Everytime that IWI thinks a particular part of the coast needs protecting will the GOVT agree and sign off??

Is it the start of IWI control of foreshore/seabed.

Yes some parts need protecting/closure and certain species  are in a collapsed state.

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Immediate legislation above and beyond what Iwi 's drumbeat suggests.

Should be a blanket ban on Waitemata harbour and inner gulf,  species wide.

With monitoring of course for early warning of LUC, and early mitigation.

+ And fines/cease & desist for those releasing toxic by-product/waste into waterways.

Tell first man to pull his finger out. Is he only good for spousal bed warming?

Catching juvenile snapper is sport for the bored in Auckland.

Some people need to evolve a little.

Soon there will be no inhabitants to terrorize.

 

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Yes there is now a rahui on Waiheke.  You cannot take mussels, scallops, paua or crayfish.

Also a new rahui at Opito Bay, you cannot take scallops.

 

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This is such a paradox to me. For such a sparsely populated island nation we have spectacularly decimated our seafood resource. And in return we are one of the unhealthiest (read “obese / overweight”) nations in the developed world.

Other countries that have such a close affinity with the sea - like the Japanese - are some of the world’s healthiest.

WTF?!

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36 minutes ago, Fogg said:

This is such a paradox to me.

A coincidental relationship is not causal one.

We are not unhealthy because we have depleted our seafood resources, and the Japanese are not healthy because of theirs.

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3 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said:

A coincidental relationship is not causal one.

We are not unhealthy because we have depleted our seafood resources, and the Japanese are not healthy because of theirs.

Well done. In one sentence you have quite spectacularly:

1. Conflated 2 issues

2. Turned the words around 180 degrees

3. And turned a true statement into a factual error

I couldn’t have achieved that if I’d tried it - this might be some kind of record. Well done!!! 👏

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4 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said:

A coincidental relationship is not causal one.

We are not unhealthy because we have depleted our seafood resources, and the Japanese are not healthy because of theirs.

Seafood in NZ is probably the most expensive one can buy expect the Japan Tuna market.Skinned bone snapper $38/40kg nz Aussie $22kg Gurnard $28/32 nz Aussie $16kg

Crayfish nz $119 kg "B" grade china "A" grade $100 per cray and remember its flown 1/2 around the world to get there.

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15 hours ago, ex Elly said:

Yes there is now a rahui on Waiheke.  You cannot take mussels, scallops, paua or crayfish.

Also a new rahui at Opito Bay, you cannot take scallops.

 

Wait ! there are mussels, scallops and Paua on Waiheke ?

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19 hours ago, harrytom said:

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/435470/two-year-rahui-for-waiheke-island-waters-to-protect-kaimoana

Came in to effect today. All for preserving our Kaimoana but unless Govt/Fisheries sign off it is unenforceable. 

This imo is the start of very dangerous slippery slope. Everytime that IWI thinks a particular part of the coast needs protecting will the GOVT agree and sign off??

Is it the start of IWI control of foreshore/seabed.

Yes some parts need protecting/closure and certain species  are in a collapsed state.

I hear your concerns but frankly sometimes it feels like "If not them then who ?  MPI are hopeless. You want to see the fish life in Deep Water Cove due to the 2 year Rahui.

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8 minutes ago, Frank said:

Wait ! there are mussels, scallops and Paua on Waiheke ?

Mussels yes at he new farm in Awaaroa bay,scallops in Hooks bay+ crays,but paua Hmm not to my knowledge.

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Well, I was being sightly facetious naturally :-)  I have heard of crays at Waiheke but have never looked, and probably wont, any cray alive on that coast today deserves a gong and should be left well alone. Seen some scallops at Hooks a few years back but the bed looked sparse, I've never bothered as  there is a healthy bed nearby (for now)

Maybe in time the mussel farm will help with Schnapper breeding stocks, the ones at Fitzroy seem well occupied with fat specimens. My totally unscientific observations from diving around the gulf is that Crayfish seem a rather hardy species that if left alone will proliferate quickly, they seem to need the sea weed cover though.

 

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10 hours ago, Fogg said:

Well done. In one sentence you have quite spectacularly:

1. Conflated 2 issues

2. Turned the words around 180 degrees

3. And turned a true statement into a factual error

I couldn’t have achieved that if I’d tried it - this might be some kind of record. Well done!!! 👏

An error of interpretation - read my second sentence without assuming a comma after the words "healthy" and "unhealthy".

The fact is, we are unhealthy because of reasons far removed from and beyond our access to seafood.  The Japanese are healthy, but not because of their seafood access.

 

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Total ban around the entire coastline including offshore islands for 1 mile,if NZ is serious in preserving what we have.But it would never happen.

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2 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said:

An error of interpretation - read my second sentence without assuming a comma after the words "healthy" and "unhealthy".

The fact is, we are unhealthy because of reasons far removed from and beyond our access to seafood.  The Japanese are healthy, but not because of their seafood access.

 

We both share abundant access to seafood but for cultural reasons we have almost diametrically opposed health outcomes. Medical science ranks Japan as one of the healthiest nations on earth (indeed Okinawa is one of the world’s 5 Blue Zones and a rich seafood diet is a scientifically proven direct contributory factor - not just the eating but even the hunter-gather lifestyle plays a part apparently).

In contrast we obviously have a different cultural relationship with food in NZ which is a shame because the benefits of our abundant access to seafood - in the shops or directly hunter-gathering ourselves - seems to be washed away by other lifestyle factors. What a sad wasted opportunity - sad for both the depleted fish stocks and the bulging waistlines.

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18 hours ago, Fogg said:

This is such a paradox to me. For such a sparsely populated island nation we have spectacularly decimated our seafood resource. And in return we are one of the unhealthiest (read “obese / overweight”) nations in the developed world.

Other countries that have such a close affinity with the sea - like the Japanese - are some of the world’s healthiest.

WTF?!

Perhaps the way we eat it?

Like smothering it in refined carbs and partly oxidised hydrocarbons.

Oh, and the chups.

I bet the Japanese don't treat OUR seafood that way.

And I wouldn't be surprised if they eat more of it than we get too.

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Just a slight correction 

Suguru came and worked on our farm for a year from Okinawa about ten years ago.

He now owns and operates this NZ style F&C shop in Naha
Sells deep fried battered Hoki and chips plus other Okinawean dishes

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in japan many restaurants have "all you can eat", tabehodai

and "all you can drink" nomihodai menus for very reasonable prices

yet very few people eat and drink themselves to an immovable stupor as they would here

which is largely why restaurants here......... don't go there

https://nihonscope.com/food-and-sake/what-does-nomihodai-in-japanese-mean/

A Few Etiquette Rules to Keep in Mind:

  1. Foreigners usually abuse the hell out of nomihodai, with that in mind at least have the courtesy to drink your current beverage all the way first before asking for more. About 20 minutes before your time is over you’ll be given last call, don’t be rude and order 5 drinks effectively wasting the drinks because your dead drunk on the floor.
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