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#61 Knot Me... maybe

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 03:13 AM

  • I have AIS but absolutely no idea how I'd know how it tells me if a boat 50mt from me is in trouble, I'm pretty sure it doesn't even being top of the line. Can someone please tell me how I use my AIS to tell other boats I'm in trouble? But then if I want to use it, and I do, I better learn how my $7000 (yeap a super cheapie as found on all boats sub 30ft, some larger, which is the majority of the fleet [insert Tui advert here] ) electrical system the AIS needs to operate works so I can maintain it assuming I've built a system impervious to moisture and other things lectronics hates.   
  • I have EPIRB, but no idea if it is working or if it's battery is OK for activation and then how long it goes for. They are like car indicators, the flashing light only tells you the bulb is working, nothing else.
  • No PLB's as yet but if someone bangs one off 100mts from me I'll never know, I hope someone does arrive before they drown. One does wonder why they didn't flag me down, I have a floating boat with cold beers only 50mts away. they are proably waiting for their AIS to tell me, whoever the f*ck it does that
  • I also have DSC but no idea why I'd want to carry a motorcycle aboard my boat all the time or use a marine NZ doesn't.
  • I have a VHF but last time I used it in a mayday situation it took about 10 minutes to get anyone who could action anything and I was only 7nm from them on a perfect night for t
  • I have no lectronic flare as I already have a multitude of things that have flashing lights aboard, as do most boats and most waterways. How needs more flashing lights bar maybe a party barge?
  • I also have pyro flares, old school I know so call me a dumbarse if you like but the pyro flares ability to be unmistakable, very cheap, reliable and last for a very long time with no maintenance I think is not a bad thing.

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 03:37 AM

‚ÄčI have top end AIS, EPRIB, DSC, EPREIB'S, PLB's, know what the only one approved lectronic flare looks like (but only as I have personally researched it) and a VHF (3 actually) I hardly ever turn on as everyone uses cellphs these days.
 

I am anchored 50mts from Elaine.

 

Can some one please tell me which of the above will alert me to Elaines imminent death?

 

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#63 Myjane

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 07:14 AM

Well Km your ready to go
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Posted 20 May 2018 - 09:42 AM

KM,
Several of those WILL alert you of a distress nearby.
The ais will
The DSC will
A VHF will, but better with DSC.

Etc.
But they must be on, as required by the colregs - you must keep watch by all available means.

If you don't know how all this works, you've wasted tour 7k. RTFM.

They are just as likely to save you as anyone else. They are very easy to use.

The test circuit in an epirb is most certainly NOT just a bulb. They do a simple load test on the battery, and the light signals a successful test.
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Posted 20 May 2018 - 10:55 AM

I didn't know the ColRegs now require AIS and DSC. The retailers must be reaping some huge coin with the massive sales going to that will be required to fit out all boats. Not to mention boat sparkies etc. 

 

I'm with 4 boaters, 3 being your typical 7mt fizz nasties which infest NZ waters. 1 knows what AIS is, 1 has heard of it, none know if their boats have it. All 3 look blank when asked about DSC. One of the dudes is uber wealthy the other 2 just rich pricks. So as you can guess all 3 boats are heavily pimped. 

 

All 3 know what a flare is.

 

Flares, like AIS, DSC and etc are tools. When all hell breaks loose and you need tools why limit your options.


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#66 Fish

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 11:35 AM

 

I am anchored 50mts from Elaine.

 

Can some one please tell me which of the above will alert me to Elaines imminent death?

If you are 50 mts away, I'd like to think your eyes and ears would be working (assuming you are actually keeping a look out).

If you are not keeping a lookout, i.e. not actually interested, then Elaines EPIRB or PLB will alert authorities who are interested.

 

If you are interested but happen to be on the heads Elaine can use DSC to turn your DSC equipped VHF into a load car alarm alerting you to her distress. For your $7k of toys works properly, your AIS will show a giant red pulsating sore infection on your chart plotter, alerting you to the position of said distress.

Noting that DSC will turn you VHF to channel 16 automatically, so you can listen to Mozart all day while fishing, and still hear her if she reverts to using the good old VHF.

 

But I think you've missed the point, its about compulsion. That is compulsion to carry explosives, firearms and pyrotechnics. You are free to carry whatever you want. The argument is around "just cause you think its a good idea, why should I have to carry explosives, firearms and pyrotechnics?"

 

And if you are worried about your PLB or EPIRB not working cause of the damp marine environment that lectronics don't like, how do you know your flare will work? Explosives like damp less than lectronics, and they don't have a test feature. Your logic is starting to fail on that point...


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#67 Fish

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Posted 20 May 2018 - 11:45 AM

Anyway, lets look at some facts.

I like facts, they are cold and hard and you can turn them over and have a good inspection of them, unlike conjecture and opinion....

 

The last three boating rescues prominent in the media:

1) The guy that relied on flares alone - spent three days and two nights drifting, almost died, was only saved because his ex-wife got pissy he hadn't returned daughter by allotted time

 

2) Single hander, offshore, boat sinking rapidly (Waimanu 2) - of all the luck a ship is passing while he is sinking rapidly, so shoots off his flares - YAY - but what happens? - ship steams over horizon...

So he lets off his EPIRB, has a Charlie 130 overhead in less than an hr, has to put earplugs in cause of the noise and is rescued same day (within hours) buy some nice guys in an orange boat launched from their ship (even got to bring some gear with him)

 

3) Family of 6 have a whoopsy on a cat early one morning, in a spot not that far really from the guy who relied on flares alone. Family of 6 set off their EPIRB and use their VHF (no mention of flares). Have 3 rescue helicopters, a navy boat, the POAL pilot boat, 3 container ships and the coastguard all respond. Are rescued quickly and are being warmed up in Whangarei Hospital in about an hour (probably 2 hours max)

 

So what safety equipment would you carry, the ones that work? or the other ones?


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Posted 20 May 2018 - 01:19 PM

That's too small a cross section to come to any valid conclusions.

 

We'll need further funding to set up a longer running inquiry...  ;-)


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Posted 20 May 2018 - 01:20 PM

Ais and DSC are not compulsory carry for our boats. But if you have them, you are REQUIRED to use them.
A lookout shall be kept by all means available...
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Posted 20 May 2018 - 02:21 PM

That's too small a cross section to come to any valid conclusions.

 

We'll need further funding to set up a longer running inquiry...  ;-)

 

Yes, well...

2 examples of flares failing miserably, in the last couple of months (3 months?)

and two examples of lectronics working just fine, and enabling fast and efficient rescues over the same time period,

 

I can see how a heavy and cumbersome bureaucracy or govt departments may struggle to interpret that information, they may well need further funding (a nice trough of it) and a good long running investigation etc...

I'd like to think nimble and agile free thinkers could move toward a conclusion on that type of hard facts, the type of nimble and agile free thinkers that often lead small business and captain industry, but I mean, it is tough to move with the times and to recognise and adapt to change sometimes. It is easy to just get stuck in your ways I guess...


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