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I'm not following your response as an explanation for the shortcommings of the Enchanter rescue. If these rescue helos are so expensive to operate, what was the cost of having one parked up for 5 hours while they scratched around for fuel? Are you saying the 4 guys that died waiting for rescue was due to budget constraints? The point I'm tyring to make is Maritime NZ are responsible for coordinating rescue assets. In this case it was a clusterfuck. Others have already said Maritime NZ don't own or operate the rescue assets, that falls to Trusts and Charities. It is the coordinat

You are missing the point. I am not complaining about our rescue services, as in the Trusts and Charities that deliver the rescue services. I'm questioning the organisation of it. There are clearly no shortage of rescue helo's. So why was only one dispatched? If these things cost such an extraordinary amount per hour, what is the cost of having one parked up for 5 hours while people scratch around finding some gas? In this case it was 4 lives. But jokes aside, what would it cost to keep avgas depoted anywhere in Tai Tokerau? You yourself have said that Maritime NZ don't own

That's everywhere. Brooklands on the Clevedon (Wairoa) river has just added about 20 pole sets. Total now is 115 moorings. I'd estimate 25 active boats.

Unfortunately it is full of boats that hardly get used or never leave their moorings......

If you believe their story they were not ready to do their turn to sheltered waters. (Being able to see gap between M & NC.) I think they were banging steep shelf that reduces fast to 10m (North) and a treble -up snuck up on them beam on before they Wested. Like you say 100m could have made all the difference. As for 10° to make waypoint??? Probably get a slap with a wet fish, and rightly so, if nobody can prove his nav was off. Arrogant AH or not.

Same question to be asked of Westhaven slowly clearing out all the pole mooring users. It was the only real middle ground in terms of price and they seem determined to get rid of it.

https://archive.ph/aIEh6 there you go Given the protest at waiheke about extending an exisiting sea wall for a fully consented marina project, I can't imagine a fast track project is going to go terribly smoothly either.... The RMA does need reform, but I don't think buying taking Shane Jones to lunch is the fix we need. Very concerning that a sole minister can override the courts that are the only mechanism to keep parliament in check.

If you are heading towards a sheltered bay in water calm enough for your charterers to fish off the back and cooking happening in the galley, as apparently you have done many times before without any issues, how can you not end up in shallowing water? Why would you even consider a "Rogue wave" coming out of nowhere. As I've earlier said 100 metres and or 60 seconds difference we most likely wouldn't be discussing it here, as it wouldn't have happened.

guess that's one way to sort out all the surplus boats filling up marinas....

Tried several, didn't know what I was talking about.🤔

Why would they want to provide 10 & 12m berths. I think you will find those size berths will become a thing of the past.

Sunshine capital

If you want to complain about NZ's rescue services start a new thread but from what I read and hear on the news most people are extremely grateful to be rescued, but the Enchanter is the issue here. The big question which is before the court is about the competence of the skipper, whether a similarly experienced skipper in the same circumstances would have taken the same risks. Expert evidence points to the Enchanter venturing into shallow water where a very large wave (but not out of the normal range of expected height), rolled them. People can make inexplicable mistakes;

Mine were fairly green also when I bought the boat from Bayswater.... but a year on with plenty of use around Nelson, sun and salt spray, they are looking nice and no green or red tinge to be seen.

Having bought the boat with a watermaker I am now deeply attached to it. Washing dishes in fresh water neans the teatowels are far less likely to get up and walk away.

Because that's not where the money is.

On the upside... https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/517050/63-point-6m-for-surf-life-saving-and-coastguard-in-budget-2024

Meanwhile the Weiti river is full and has a 3 year waiting list. Why don't Hoppers provide 10 and 12 metre berths to provide some more affordable options?

For crew? That implies all rescue helicopter crew are millionaires

I did that on the old boat. Then rinsed in a tiny bit of fresh water. Seemed to stop the rust.

Try 3k per hour ,+

Uninformed response here, but in all likelihood the difference in response is the result of: the locations; access to crew and appropriate equipment; risk assessment; time of day. The cost of operating a rescue helicopter service is significant. Crew alone (pilot, medic and winchman) would run around $3k a day if you assume 24 hour cover with provision for training and credentialing. This from a Stuff article in 2015 "The trust operates rescue helicopters out of Christchurch and Greymouth, costing more than $10 million annually, with $4m of that covered by operational payments

That is not what you said though. What is it when you say one thing and mean something else? You are correct in that we cannot blindly expect to get rescued. But I think the families of the victims, and the rest of us, can expect a reasonably competent national maritime organisation and all best endeavors for rescue. There are 17 rescue helos in the North Island and 33 nationally. We are not short of appropriate rescue assests. Unlike your example of the UK with RNLI Lifeboat stations everywhere, for a country of 5million, we have an abundance of rescue helicopter ass

What is the standard H&S charge, and what is the skipper currently being charged with? "actions or inactions resulting in the death..." There are individuals at Maritime NZ that are employed to do a job. There are some serious questions around whether they were grossly negligent in doing that job. There are 17 rescue helos in the North Island and 33 in NZ. Yet only one was sent to a mass causality event, and no-one thought it would need fuel. It certainly appears there is a case of gross negligence here. Why would someone employed by Maritime NZ not be subject to the sa

Hopper Developments plans 300-berth marina at Hobbs Bay, Gulf Harbour - NZ Herald.pdf