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Any other owners out there wanting to get together to share our interest in these great yachts? Used to be an association in the 1970s !

Expect it to get worse, not better. By definition, the planning roles you describe are not front line. To keep with our apolitical approach, I'll allow you to join the dots.

K, I follow your line of questions, they are very relevant. and your concern re the helo f---up. The helo crew were doing their very best against the odds, with head office not really even in the picture. None of the f---up was the fault of the helo crew.. the lack of fuel should never have happened and hopefully (fingers crossed) won't happen again, but it took this event to tell head office what they should have already known or at least considered.Their are many instances where head office just isn't there, (though they think they are) but in "their" heads "they know" best!. (cyclone Gab

They can co-ordinate all they like, if the operator doesn't have the capacity to respond, no response will happen. It's the operator who makes all the logistics arrangements. MNZ basically asks if they can do it. If the operator deem they can't, that's it. It may well be that they have run the scenarios. It could well be that within the funding and operational limits that are ultimately set by budgets, they decided that an Encounter-type event was not a high probability. In short yes it is a fact that people die in New Zealand because we decide we cannot afford the cost to as

I'm not following your response as an explanation for the shortcommings of the Enchanter rescue. If these rescue helos are so expensive to operate, what was the cost of having one parked up for 5 hours while they scratched around for fuel? Are you saying the 4 guys that died waiting for rescue was due to budget constraints? The point I'm tyring to make is Maritime NZ are responsible for coordinating rescue assets. In this case it was a clusterfuck. Others have already said Maritime NZ don't own or operate the rescue assets, that falls to Trusts and Charities. It is the coordinat

You are missing the point. I am not complaining about our rescue services, as in the Trusts and Charities that deliver the rescue services. I'm questioning the organisation of it. There are clearly no shortage of rescue helo's. So why was only one dispatched? If these things cost such an extraordinary amount per hour, what is the cost of having one parked up for 5 hours while people scratch around finding some gas? In this case it was 4 lives. But jokes aside, what would it cost to keep avgas depoted anywhere in Tai Tokerau? You yourself have said that Maritime NZ don't own

That's everywhere. Brooklands on the Clevedon (Wairoa) river has just added about 20 pole sets. Total now is 115 moorings. I'd estimate 25 active boats.

Unfortunately it is full of boats that hardly get used or never leave their moorings......

If you believe their story they were not ready to do their turn to sheltered waters. (Being able to see gap between M & NC.) I think they were banging steep shelf that reduces fast to 10m (North) and a treble -up snuck up on them beam on before they Wested. Like you say 100m could have made all the difference. As for 10° to make waypoint??? Probably get a slap with a wet fish, and rightly so, if nobody can prove his nav was off. Arrogant AH or not.

Same question to be asked of Westhaven slowly clearing out all the pole mooring users. It was the only real middle ground in terms of price and they seem determined to get rid of it.

https://archive.ph/aIEh6 there you go Given the protest at waiheke about extending an exisiting sea wall for a fully consented marina project, I can't imagine a fast track project is going to go terribly smoothly either.... The RMA does need reform, but I don't think buying taking Shane Jones to lunch is the fix we need. Very concerning that a sole minister can override the courts that are the only mechanism to keep parliament in check.

If you are heading towards a sheltered bay in water calm enough for your charterers to fish off the back and cooking happening in the galley, as apparently you have done many times before without any issues, how can you not end up in shallowing water? Why would you even consider a "Rogue wave" coming out of nowhere. As I've earlier said 100 metres and or 60 seconds difference we most likely wouldn't be discussing it here, as it wouldn't have happened.

guess that's one way to sort out all the surplus boats filling up marinas....

Tried several, didn't know what I was talking about.🤔

Why would they want to provide 10 & 12m berths. I think you will find those size berths will become a thing of the past.

Sunshine capital

If you want to complain about NZ's rescue services start a new thread but from what I read and hear on the news most people are extremely grateful to be rescued, but the Enchanter is the issue here. The big question which is before the court is about the competence of the skipper, whether a similarly experienced skipper in the same circumstances would have taken the same risks. Expert evidence points to the Enchanter venturing into shallow water where a very large wave (but not out of the normal range of expected height), rolled them. People can make inexplicable mistakes;

Mine were fairly green also when I bought the boat from Bayswater.... but a year on with plenty of use around Nelson, sun and salt spray, they are looking nice and no green or red tinge to be seen.

Having bought the boat with a watermaker I am now deeply attached to it. Washing dishes in fresh water neans the teatowels are far less likely to get up and walk away.

Because that's not where the money is.

On the upside... https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/517050/63-point-6m-for-surf-life-saving-and-coastguard-in-budget-2024

Meanwhile the Weiti river is full and has a 3 year waiting list. Why don't Hoppers provide 10 and 12 metre berths to provide some more affordable options?

For crew? That implies all rescue helicopter crew are millionaires

I did that on the old boat. Then rinsed in a tiny bit of fresh water. Seemed to stop the rust.

Try 3k per hour ,+