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I am curious as to what the angle of vanishing stability for that vessel was, if they can even do one without pulling the superstructure off or deforming it? The dynamics of what actually happened will probably never be known, but the observer saying the wave hadn’t “crested” and then inrush from the breaking wave thru saloon window ,( from breaking wave), is not consistent. More likely is that the shouts coming from occupants inside being the thrown to starboard and having the starboard windows implode on them as the vessel rotated to strbd. Have been caught a few times in triple

Yes, the whole debate, and infact the whole prosecution relies on establishing where he was at the time of the incident. We all understand that. That quote, "about as equally likely" in itself demonstrates high uncertainty as to exactly where he was when this happened. On the EPIRB drift, have you ever been to a surf beach? Muriwai for example? You can have tonnes of water pushing in at one spot, and literally 10m to one side, you can have a 3knt current ripping out. Most people on here should be able to understand rips. It is perfectly feasible for the incident to have occurred wher

From that article Know your boat’s limitations: Do not expect your boat to cope with conditions it is not designed for. Don’t take it on a long sea passage if it’s not designed to survive knockdowns and roll-overs: stick to coastal waters where you can run to shelter if the weather turns nasty. That's not bad luck.

Be the same inquest for recreational. Lost of lives. Certainly appearing that Lance strayed of course and in to shallows..Would be looking at sounder or looking at waves and getting best angle? Think defense lawyer is non maritime,saw the bit about the cray fisherman who said he had a early day,7 to 3 is a early day for those when on the crays.A lot work well in to the night clearing pots.

https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/sailing-skills/sunk-in-a-storm-with-no-liferaft-lessons-learned-81596

Trying hard here K, read the report. The EPIRB ping was right on the shelf and given the drift pattern is eastwards then draw your own conclusions Why it happened The Enchanter should easily have coped with the sea conditions off North Cape at the time of the accident. However, it is about as likely as not the vessel had strayed into shallower water off Murimotu Island, an area that is prone to occasional, naturally occurring, larger waves peaking as they entered the shallowing water. When the Enchanter rapidly rolled onto its side, the force of the water exceeded the design parame

Not everybody.

We get back eddies in our river all the time. The tide will be bombing in, and at the same time there will be an outgoing current along one side. Given the complexities of wind, tide, current, swell and wave action, it is not possible for anyone to predict with any certainty a drift pattern with enough certainty to convict someone. Given that they couldn't find the missing people, nor actually find the wreck post rescue validates this. And on the missing people, this demonstrates dispersion modelling. As in, they all went in different directions. they spread out. So if the people and wrec

Awesome, thanks for the advice!

Somewhat unsavoury after the fact and perhaps little consolation for those that lost family and friends. But, it remains, cause effect are how we move forward. The track of the EPIRB, current mapping and the account given by skipper/crew are at odds. The current mapping shows North rotating thru NW around cape at 1930. At 2130 the current has decrease with a more north aspect going NE . The Epirb track confirms this.. The survivors say they could see between Murimotu isl and North cape before and after the roll. If they were North of the shoal, looking SW how did the EPIRB travel

Peter "Shay" Ward, an experienced commercial fisherman from Te Awamutu, was one of eight friends who signed up for a five-day trip to the Three Kings Islands just over two years ago. Ward told the court he was sitting on the rear deck on the evening of 20 March, 2022, as the Enchanter was nearing its planned anchorage for the night below the North Cape lighthouse. At the time the wind was light, about 12-13 knots, and the swell about two metres, he said. The other passengers were relaxing in the cabin so they didn't see the wave coming. "I remember seeing that swell

Yep, don't even need to suck, Fit a tank/deck penetration, attach a hose, it'll float right on up! Diving at the depths involved is expensive, but it's all achievable.

Seems he was in very shallow water indeed. From the TAIC report..

Could they use a big long hose to suck it up?

Now is a good time to go. Boats are heading up to the Pacific Islands this month. Contact Island Cruising Association, or look on the Opua facebook groups.

Better hope for a lot of Westerlies -though that would not help the Mokes or the Barrier

Its N2K...

3.43 The underwater topography off Murimotu Island matches the wave performance observed by the passenger. From seaward, the seabed off Murimotu Island slopes steeply from 50 to 10 metres water depth over 0.7 nautical miles (1300 metres). The seabed slopes very steeply from 30 to 2 metres water depth (see Figure 15). To the observer on the Enchanter’s aft deck a larger wave would have begun visibly peaking in the distance, with a sharp rise when the wave met with the 10-metre contour. 3.44 This analysis of the wave form supports the hypothesis founded on the EPIRB data, that the capsize o

Oh Dear, that doesn't look good for him.

Here is the TAIC Final report. Skippers route is shown on page 28. Couple of pages down is the EPIRB track. MO-2022-201 Charter fishing vessel, Enchanter, capsize, North Cape, New Zealand, 20 March 2022 (taic.org.nz)

TAIC states "about as likely as not" as in 50:50 the Enchanter strayed into shallow water. That is a highly uncertain statement as to exactly where the Enchater was. It is 50:50 the skipper had the boat where he said, in safe deep water, and it was an actual rogue wave that got it, not shallow water effect. Just like the Essence off BoI. 50:50 Isn't our justice system based on 'reasonable doubt'? Why it happened The Enchanter should easily have coped with the sea conditions off North Cape at the time of the accident. However, it is about as likely as not the vessel had str

Many of the points posted here are opinions. Having a difference of opinion is not a criminal matter. Generally the criminal test is gross negligence. The prosecution are saying he should not have been within 3 miles of land, but psyche has confirmed there is no rule regarding this. His ship was apparently in good order, and approved for the area it was operating in. He checked the forecast regularly, so not like he was sailing blind. The only paperwork he didn't have was an expired first aid certificate, not directly contributable to the incident. So it's not like he was tryin

Do you know if that integrates OK with a Nexus system?

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