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This time by one news.

 

'Water is not going to be a graveyard for us but it looks like it at the moment' - calls for life jackets to be compulsory by law

 

 

https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/new-zealand/water-not-going-graveyard-us-but-looks-like-moment-calls-life-jackets-compulsory-law

 

There's one quote in particular that makes you wonder if it's the educators themselves that are actually the problem! As for the title quote - I just hope it's a misquote because it is nonsensical. Was posted at 0615hrs this morning so presumably someone will wake up and actually edit it and include some actual content!

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I think with it being an emotional plea from people who have lost family recently I can understand it. It would be nice if the powers that be would explain to the family it is not as simple as that.

 

Has it come out yet who was wearing lifejackets in the kaipara incident?

 

Perhaps some education amongst the PI community would achieve a lot more? Lifejackets or not I would not want to hop in a 12 foot dinghy with 6 large PI men to go fishing.. It is still a recipe for disaster.

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How many lifejackets does a boat owner or commercial operation need to own??

current law states lifejackets for all onboard,fair enough,but the range one would need to carry could be ridiculous,10 x jackets to 130kg person  or 10 jackets to fit 80kg and on it goes.

I have 6 onboard but prefer to crew to bring their own .

 

a number of yrs ago went on the "soren larsen"great day out.Took at the time 5yr old and took  a jacket and he wore it,Skipper said he did not need it, suppose he was correct but in the unlikely event child went overboard how long would it take to turn her around?paranoid parent or responsible?

 

 

 

On a side note,do you think those who swim in lakes rivers off wharves etc wearing jeans need education as well?

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Why do they feel they need a law? It would still require education and enforcement. Why don't these groups put there effort into education so that people choose to wear them, rather than lobbying government to force them to do something they could do by choice. Plus they could educate people on all aspects of boating safety, (like not have 6 people in a 12 foot boat) rather than just the golden baindaid of life jackets.

 

Speeding is illegal, people still speed and people still die,

Jumping off the roof of your house isn't illegal, yet people realise the danger and don't do it. An extreme example but you get the point.

 

The fact that speeding is illegal is likely only a small deterrent to the people who speed the most. Life jacket law will be much harder to enforce, therefore much easier to ignore.

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More LJ nonsense.The trendy lefty 's will keep this up until they win,because they know that how ever many times they lose they only have to win once. Witness swimming pool legislation. They went on for years and years and now these laws are becoming more draconian with 3 yearly inspections and associate costs. We will need to stand firm against LJ compulsion and sadly compulsion won't save those who it is designed to save. May someone save the rest of us from do gooders.

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More LJ nonsense.The trendy lefty 's will keep this up until they win,because they know that how ever many times they lose they only have to win once. Witness swimming pool legislation. They went on for years and years and now these laws are becoming more draconian with 3 yearly inspections and associate costs. We will need to stand firm against LJ compulsion and sadly compulsion won't save those who it is designed to save. May someone save the rest of us from do gooders.

It's not just lefties, it's also those on the right. If you ask around here, there are a fair number of lefties who abhor the compulsory lifejacket argument. 

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Seems like a perfectly good article to me.

The article is a case.

 

Kevin, may I ask if you are aware of the difference between a case study and robust statistically significant studies?

 

In terms of evidence, case studies rank far further down - they are emotionally charged. but let's take emotion out of it, because as we have seen painfully being illustrated in the USA at the moment, emotion is not always right. 

 

I call for robust statistical analysis and evidence. Not emotional case studies or the opinion of a line touting policeman

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Is there not already numerous laws in place?

The Kaipara tradgedy, is not wearing a life jacket on a bar crossing already the default law?

I doubt life jackets would have made a jot of difference to that outcome.

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many  ways comes back to OHS

 

probably like most here i learned to swim at school

 

in my case a small country primary school, 30 kids, where the farmer parents had a working-bee to bring their tractors and tools round to dig and concrete a small pool

 

i presume the gov. paid for the materials but not much else

 

it was a husband + wife 2 teacher school and on hot summer days half the school, 15 kids, would clear their classroom and head to the pool to be taught how to swim by the teacher, who also maintained the pool

 

but about 20? years ago the education board decided the pool wasn't up to standard , the new headmaster didn't want to maintain the pool and the teacher's union didn't want them teaching swimming

 

since then, once a week, the kids are bused into town for 30 minutes of water play with kickboards 

 

not enough time to learn to swim

 

since then wealthy parents have sent their kids to swimming schools

 

and disadvantaged kids

 

haven't learned to swim 

 

once worked at a primary school in the uk where swimming classes were compulsory

 

the headmaster said that as far as something that would save your life

 

swimming was probably the most important thing you could learn

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From the watersafe website linked below:

 

Forty-eight people died by drowning in New Zealand waters in the first six months of 2016

the first half of this year has seen significant decreases across many of the drowning environments and activities, particularly boatingwhich has decreased almost 70% on the half year average

River drownings accounted for 21 of the 48 deaths so far this year

Two people died in ponds

Boating deaths were down across most areas – from powered and non-powered boats to canoes, kayaks and sailboats. Just one boating-related activity – jet skiing – saw an increase over the past six months, from zero to one.

 

http://www.watersafety.org.nz/media/highlighted-stories/highlight-storiesconsultaion-on-new-acceptable-solutions-for-residential-pool-barrriers/half-year-drowning-toll-down-but-most-deaths-preventable/

 

Add in the notes in the article say about 10 of the drownings were 'non preventable' car crash, homocideor suicide related.

 

Where are we at? 21+2+10 =33 of 48 are not boating in the sea related, and we haven't counted beach drownings yet which are usually substantial. This is why studies on actual numbers and details are required, not reactions to non-specific tables motorbike. That table makes no mention of what 'offshore' means, unlikely to mean what we mean by it.

If you narrow down the number of boat related drownings, look at the actual boating activity, look at the cause of drowning, find out if each victim was wearing a life jacket (kayakers and jetskiiers normally would be?) consider other factors such as hypothermia or alcohol which would reduce chances of survival with or without a life jacket, ability to self rescue with or without a life jacket, and likelyhood of outside assistance showing up in time if people couldn't help them selves, you would get a better idea of the number of people compulsory life jackets could potentially save in boating related drownings.

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Hmmm at risk of sounding like a troll, in my experience most jetskiers wear ski vests.

 

Also canoe clubs insist on paddlers wearing buoyancy aids when on the water. I have heard of kayakers being kicked out of clubs when found paddling without one.

 

Then again, with the huge sales of sit-ons there could be a lot of dummies out there.

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