Jump to content

Damn the Rules, Rocna Inventor doing the NW Passage


Recommended Posts

He's not stopping he's just sailing past which sometimes can mean you sail thru someone's zone, EXACTLY like navies, airlines, cruise ships, freighters, fishing boats, fishing fleets and shitloads of cruising yachts do all over the world 24/7/366.

This thread is simply combining mountains and molehills.

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Sabre said:

This is a comment on a Canadian news site...

"The issue of whether or not the Northwest Passage is an international's waterway or Canadian internal waters is still being argued in the international courts.This man has been at sea in quarantine for 30 days and doesn't appear to be ill and there is no indication that he has stopped at any northern community or has any intention of doing so. This man is a sailor "exercising his right of innocent passage" and appears to have tried to communicate with Canadian officials since the middle of May. He left Nome, Alaska on 27 July and has completed around 1900 nautical miles in 30 days. He has less than half that distance to reach Lancaster Sound and enter international waters again. Let's stop the verbal abuse and start wishing him luck in the completion of his goal."

Its a shame a few more kiwi sailors don't share this view. This whole thing is a non-issue and Peter Smith is 100% correct in that this is just beauracratic bullshit.

Should everyone just sit at home in their fluffy slippers untill some beauracratic cock womble tells us when we can start thinking sensibly for ourselves again?

 

the following is part of an email I received from Pete early this week

The authorities seem to have backed off for now. I have had a flurry of indignant demands from 5 departments all under the Transport authority umbrella. When I respond as well as refer them to head office they all shut up, scared of treading on big Brothers toes. When I talked to a Toronto Natives Safety Department director they were very understanding and wished me Bon Voyage, so it is not all negative.

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

something the reports do not mention is that Pete is making the voyage single handed, something only a handful of people have done to date.

I have heard from Craig Smith that there is Canadian Coast Guard ship following him, at least that means he has a "lookout" while off watch 😃.

I can understand the opinions for and against what he is doing, but in the greater scheme of things freedom of passage is becoming a major issue world wide, particularly in the case of what China is doing in the Sth China sea.

Link to post
Share on other sites
56 minutes ago, Sabre said:

 

The most worrying part of this whole situation for me is that some very experienced cruisers think that bowing down to unreasonable beauracracy is the best way to preserve sailors rights and access to the oceans.

I would suggest that pissing off foreign bureaucracies is an effective way to get us all banned.

In NZ knock yourself out. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, Sabre said:

Should everyone just sit at home in their fluffy slippers untill some beauracratic cock womble tells us when we can start thinking sensibly for ourselves again?

'Cockwomble' is actually a real thing and I'm lovin the term to bits. I'm going to have fun with that one, Cheers Sabre

Quote

cockwomble (countable and uncountable, plural cockwombles) (Britain, slang, derogatory) A foolish or obnoxious person.

 

1 hour ago, Sabre said:

The most worrying part of this whole situation for me is that some very experienced cruisers think that bowing down to unreasonable beauracracy is the best way to preserve sailors rights and access to the oceans.

We do have to stop agreeing so much, you being one of 'them' and me being one of 'those' and all that....whatever that may actually be  ;) I agree.

If we bow to stupidity/dumb/just f**king crazy too often then stupidity/dumb/just f**king crazy will become the datum the cockwombles will base things off as they have never had any push back. That is a 100% gimme and can be seen in play every day and in many areas of life. Giving in to unreasonable cockwombles just lowers the bar for everyone.

  • Downvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

If he is actually in on the high seas, then I've no issue with what hes doing. Others, including nations, may disagree.

Territorial waters are  a bit of a grey area. For a long time most nations accepted that territorial limits were 3NM, a long cannon shot. Then some nations "decided" that it should be 12NM incl the USA. NZ has a 200nm "EEZ",  but you can transit that area.

Its pretty hard for a single yacht to defy a nation - with a navy and or air force, if they are determined. They can stop you. You are vulnerable. You can't fight a military vessel. There are multiple areas in the world you are not allowed to go. If you are inside the 12m limit, then you are unlikely to get any help from your government.

Its easy to sit here and say that should not be, but its how it is. I've been boarded by armed military, and threatened with prison, but eventually was allowed to leave, its not an ideal way to spend a day! 

When it comes to nations, it's better - and recommended - to abide by their rules and requirements, customs and beliefs. Its part of the experience. If you don't like it, move on, plenty of other places to go in the world. Nations don't have to let you in, by boat or by plane, walking, driving or whatever. They can and do decide not to allow yachts. Upsetting them can make this more likely.

more info here https://share.america.gov/what-do-you-know-about-international-waters/

Link to post
Share on other sites

So, how is he getting on? The NW passage normally opens in August or there abouts?, and can stay open for, what, about 6 weeks? Obviously all this climate change has made transits though there a load easier lately, but its still not something the average Joe can have a go at. 

And when you get to the other end, you have to beat down through the Berring Sea...

Link to post
Share on other sites
32 minutes ago, Fish said:

So, how is he getting on? The NW passage normally opens in August or there abouts?, and can stay open for, what, about 6 weeks? Obviously all this climate change has made transits though there a load easier lately, but its still not something the average Joe can have a go at. 

And when you get to the other end, you have to beat down through the Berring Sea...

Pete was in Peel sound at the beginning of the week. Looking at Marine traffic you can see a pleasure boat transitting the Bellot Strait, I think this will be Kiwi Roa.

 

IT beat me to it

Link to post
Share on other sites

One of the cruisers from our Club sailed across the international border into Canada 

a few weeks ago, attempting to enter the port of Leamington, Ontario. 

He was told quite brusquely that under no circumstances could he land, 

and further that he had to leave Canadian waters immediately. 

Two points: (1) Our sailor is very involved in politics, and really should have known better. The Canadian border has been closed to 

US boats for at least five months. We had a good laugh at the Bloke's expense.  

(2) It appears that the Canadians are not discriminating against the Kiwi sailor; rather, you are paying part of the 

price for the US' utter incompetence in handling the Corona-V. 

(3) Bonus Point !! Got to admire the gent - but he could be getting himself in some trouble. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
24 minutes ago, Black Panther said:

https://news.oceancruisingclub.org/home/index/1386
Who thinks these guys should ignore the bureaucrats and sail to NZ.

Suggest you start another thread. 
BUT ...
In answer to your question, I think that ignoring the law and just sailing to NZ or Oz would have significant negative consequences. 
In Oz they'd just be regarded as wealthy 'boat people', their yachts confiscated and lengthy periods in one of the many Immigration camps until they could be repatriated.
Here in NZ consequences wouldn't be much better. 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Black Panther said:

https://news.oceancruisingclub.org/home/index/1386

 

Who thinks these guys should ignore the bureaucrats and sail to NZ.

Different circumstances, one example someone wants to transit a waterway near a country, the other, people want to enter that country and stay for an extended period. In the second example, how they get there is largely irrelevant in the eyes of immigration, and for all practical purposes, the issue is entry to the country, not that they sailed to that country. In the other example, you could put an arguement it is a freedom of navigation exercise. The only similarity is that both examples are on boats.

Link to post
Share on other sites
17 minutes ago, Kevin McCready said:

Bureaucrats don't make laws. They interpret them and are subject to the courts. At least learn to vent your spleen appropriately.

They may not make laws but as with all laws, it is down to interpretation. You will find different bureaucrats have different interpretations which leeds to total confusion.

Link to post
Share on other sites
On 29/08/2020 at 7:02 AM, Sabre said:

Agreeing with the above statement makes it three times in about two weeks. Very unsettling to say the least.

When it does happen I have learnt to breathe into a paper bag until I stop hyperventilating....

I'm using Gin, seems to be working OK.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


×
×
  • Create New...