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56 minutes ago, Sabre said:

 

The most worrying part of this whole situation for me is that some very experienced cruisers think that bowing down to unreasonable beauracracy is the best way to preserve sailors rights and access to the oceans.

I would suggest that pissing off foreign bureaucracies is an effective way to get us all banned.

In NZ knock yourself out. 

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If he is actually in on the high seas, then I've no issue with what hes doing. Others, including nations, may disagree.

Territorial waters are  a bit of a grey area. For a long time most nations accepted that territorial limits were 3NM, a long cannon shot. Then some nations "decided" that it should be 12NM incl the USA. NZ has a 200nm "EEZ",  but you can transit that area.

Its pretty hard for a single yacht to defy a nation - with a navy and or air force, if they are determined. They can stop you. You are vulnerable. You can't fight a military vessel. There are multiple areas in the world you are not allowed to go. If you are inside the 12m limit, then you are unlikely to get any help from your government.

Its easy to sit here and say that should not be, but its how it is. I've been boarded by armed military, and threatened with prison, but eventually was allowed to leave, its not an ideal way to spend a day! 

When it comes to nations, it's better - and recommended - to abide by their rules and requirements, customs and beliefs. Its part of the experience. If you don't like it, move on, plenty of other places to go in the world. Nations don't have to let you in, by boat or by plane, walking, driving or whatever. They can and do decide not to allow yachts. Upsetting them can make this more likely.

more info here https://share.america.gov/what-do-you-know-about-international-waters/

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So, how is he getting on? The NW passage normally opens in August or there abouts?, and can stay open for, what, about 6 weeks? Obviously all this climate change has made transits though there a load easier lately, but its still not something the average Joe can have a go at. 

And when you get to the other end, you have to beat down through the Berring Sea...

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32 minutes ago, Fish said:

So, how is he getting on? The NW passage normally opens in August or there abouts?, and can stay open for, what, about 6 weeks? Obviously all this climate change has made transits though there a load easier lately, but its still not something the average Joe can have a go at. 

And when you get to the other end, you have to beat down through the Berring Sea...

Pete was in Peel sound at the beginning of the week. Looking at Marine traffic you can see a pleasure boat transitting the Bellot Strait, I think this will be Kiwi Roa.

 

IT beat me to it

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One of the cruisers from our Club sailed across the international border into Canada 

a few weeks ago, attempting to enter the port of Leamington, Ontario. 

He was told quite brusquely that under no circumstances could he land, 

and further that he had to leave Canadian waters immediately. 

Two points: (1) Our sailor is very involved in politics, and really should have known better. The Canadian border has been closed to 

US boats for at least five months. We had a good laugh at the Bloke's expense.  

(2) It appears that the Canadians are not discriminating against the Kiwi sailor; rather, you are paying part of the 

price for the US' utter incompetence in handling the Corona-V. 

(3) Bonus Point !! Got to admire the gent - but he could be getting himself in some trouble. 

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24 minutes ago, Black Panther said:

https://news.oceancruisingclub.org/home/index/1386
Who thinks these guys should ignore the bureaucrats and sail to NZ.

Suggest you start another thread. 
BUT ...
In answer to your question, I think that ignoring the law and just sailing to NZ or Oz would have significant negative consequences. 
In Oz they'd just be regarded as wealthy 'boat people', their yachts confiscated and lengthy periods in one of the many Immigration camps until they could be repatriated.
Here in NZ consequences wouldn't be much better. 

 

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1 hour ago, Black Panther said:

https://news.oceancruisingclub.org/home/index/1386

 

Who thinks these guys should ignore the bureaucrats and sail to NZ.

Different circumstances, one example someone wants to transit a waterway near a country, the other, people want to enter that country and stay for an extended period. In the second example, how they get there is largely irrelevant in the eyes of immigration, and for all practical purposes, the issue is entry to the country, not that they sailed to that country. In the other example, you could put an arguement it is a freedom of navigation exercise. The only similarity is that both examples are on boats.

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17 minutes ago, Kevin McCready said:

Bureaucrats don't make laws. They interpret them and are subject to the courts. At least learn to vent your spleen appropriately.

They may not make laws but as with all laws, it is down to interpretation. You will find different bureaucrats have different interpretations which leeds to total confusion.

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39 minutes ago, aardvarkash10 said:

^Only if they are NZ citizens or residents and can show they have a specific need or meet the relevant criteria.  You know, just to keep it real and not ZB-ish...

yeah like this guy who lied thru his teeth to get a visitors visa and now we are stuck with him

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122166500/iranian-writer-behrouz-boochani-granted-refugee-status-in-nz

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14 minutes ago, marinheiro said:

yeah like this guy who lied thru his teeth to get a visitors visa and now we are stuck with him

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122166500/iranian-writer-behrouz-boochani-granted-refugee-status-in-nz

I don't know, anyone who can succeed after being detained for 6 years would appear to have a bit of tenacity, and may well be an asset to the country. Perhaps he could teach tenacity at schools, would be a hell of a good lesson in how you have to make sacrifices and preserver to achieve a goal.

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24 minutes ago, marinheiro said:

yeah like this guy who lied thru his teeth to get a visitors visa and now we are stuck with him

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/122166500/iranian-writer-behrouz-boochani-granted-refugee-status-in-nz

What a complete and utter falsehood.

Behrouz was invited to come here for a writers festival and made a fully legal and compliant application for refugee status after enduring six years of our Aussie neighbours abominable inhumane refugee policies.

Hang your head in shame with Armchair where’s your humanity.

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