Cancel your Great Barrier plans this Summer

[harrytom 643]

Now why doesnt MPI/Council or Iwi drop 2 hundred moorings in affected areas and charge a over night fee? $10 per night max 2 nights,then your friends could raft up.Hmm new years party in the making.

[K4309 257]

2 hours ago, harrytom said:

Now why doesnt MPI/Council or Iwi drop 2 hundred moorings in affected areas and charge a over night fee? $10 per night max 2 nights,then your friends could raft up.Hmm new years party in the making.

You'd need a resource consent to do that.

If you're going to go to all that trouble of getting a resource consent, you may as well drop in a whole marina...

[Waa1066 5]

Has anyone seen an explanation about the difference  between the Mercs CAN rules and Barrier ?,

why is it ok to anchor  and then ensure a clean anchor and chain at Mercs but there is no anchoring at all at Barrier ? 

[harrytom 643]

1 hour ago, Waa1066 said:

Has anyone seen an explanation about the difference  between the Mercs CAN rules and Barrier ?,

why is it ok to anchor  and then ensure a clean anchor and chain at Mercs but there is no anchoring at all at Barrier ? 

No Iwi living at the Mercs??

[harrytom 643]

2 hours ago, K4309 said:

You'd need a resource consent to do that.

If you're going to go to all that trouble of getting a resource consent, you may as well drop in a whole marina...

Give it another 5/10 yrs and I bet there will be at Kaikoura island. or port Fitzroy

[Psyche 633]

6 hours ago, harrytom said:

Now why doesnt MPI/Council or Iwi drop 2 hundred moorings in affected areas and charge a over night fee? $10 per night max 2 nights,then your friends could raft up.Hmm new years party in the making.

Brace yourself for your next mooring fee- this year in our local mooring area on the shore, the maintenance bill for two that I know of was 5500 for 20 ton vessel  and 3400 for a 5 ton vessel. Thats maintenance so I suspect a full mooring install on barrier given the remoteness and depth, and having to wildly ovespec them that each one would be 10k or more. 

We are talking millions in setup and the ongoing legal issues with insurance, and the  management etc would be a nightmare.

"How much does your vessel weigh sir?" Certificate please, do you have insurance, certificate please, sigh this liability waiver and its in gps position xyx, the mooring buoy is red with FS 1356 on it..... nek minute Hey someones on MY mooring,  100 boats on managed moorings in Fitzroy- yeah right!

[B00B00 310]

4 hours ago, Waa1066 said:

Has anyone seen an explanation about the difference  between the Mercs CAN rules and Barrier ?,

why is it ok to anchor  and then ensure a clean anchor and chain at Mercs but there is no anchoring at all at Barrier ? 

You can still anchor at lots of places at the barrier.  Just the Bradshaw cove area, broken islands down to tryphena and whangapara is restricted. Fitzroy, angles cove, Catherine Bay, and the whole outside is still fine. 

[K4309 257]

5 hours ago, Waa1066 said:

Has anyone seen an explanation about the difference  between the Mercs CAN rules and Barrier ?,

why is it ok to anchor  and then ensure a clean anchor and chain at Mercs but there is no anchoring at all at Barrier ? 

There is no logic.

There is no logic to any of it. It's just rules for rules sake. To look like something is being done, when it isn't. It is just how our country deals with stuff. Stuff and nonsense.

[harrytom 643]

Another thought as to why no anchoring ban at the mercs.Would be the pull of the mercury bay game fishing club.And which island does Faye own or has he sold it?

[slanty 8]

On 5/12/2023 at 9:32 PM, ex Elly said:

Yes, you should still go if you want to. Fitzroy is the main place that people head for. You could spend a week or more inside anchoring in a different bay each night. There are some people who don't go anywhere else as their wives need millpond conditions to get to sleep. However I find it a bit claustrophobic and usually prefer Broken Islands to Whangaparapara which are now closed. Plus there is still Abercrombie (explore the camp at the head of Karaka bay) and Katherine bay on the west (good fishing and anchorage behind the mussel farm). If the swell isn't too high you can still go up round the Needles to the eastern side and if you tow a lure you may catch a tuna. Head down to Rakitu (Arid) island (for some of the best snorkeling in NZ), then Harataonga (good walks ashore) and Whangapoua (swimming with sharks). Also the side trip to Mokohinaus is only a few hours (more good snorkelling, and an interesting walk up the railway tracks to the hut). This is not a good anchorage so needs settled conditions. However doing the circumnavigation will be a lot harder this year, since you can't tuck round the bottom into Tryphena. All this has been done in a Tracker, so you will have no problem in a Lotus.

 

Thisi is awesome! - thanks so much Ex elly. 

 

[chariot 243]

Don't think the Mercury Bay Game Fish club have any influence on the Mercs. As far as i know, Faye and Richwhite still own Great Merc. They still had the new year bash there last year, but nothing like it used to be.

[ZoeHawkins 3]

16 hours ago, K4309 said:

There is no logic.

There is no logic to any of it. It's just rules for rules sake. To look like something is being done, when it isn't. It is just how our country deals with stuff. Stuff and nonsense.

Tuning in! Having talked with locals on the island I think it's probably more about making life a bit easier for people who live on Aotea Great Barrier who have been dealing with the restrictions for a long time... it's so they can go out and drop a line and get a feed. The situation is a little bit different in other places.  

Exotic caulerpa is pretty nasty. I'm sure you'll all do the right thing. 

[K4309 257]

19 hours ago, ZoeHawkins said:

Tuning in! Having talked with locals on the island I think it's probably more about making life a bit easier for people who live on Aotea Great Barrier who have been dealing with the restrictions for a long time... it's so they can go out and drop a line and get a feed. The situation is a little bit different in other places.  

Exotic caulerpa is pretty nasty. I'm sure you'll all do the right thing. 

Don't disagree that life needs to be made easier for the Barrier locals. There is no supermarket there, and a lot of their food comes from the sea.

But that doesn't explain why you can anchor (and clean your gear) at Great Mercury, but not in Tryphena, Whangaparapara or Bowling Alley Bay, can all through Fitzroy but can't in the Te Puna inlet.

Everyone wants to do the right thing. If only we could work out what that was.

[waikiore 399]

The PR side has been a disaster, and even the yacht clubs havent been given info packs to distribute-never mind runabout man who nips out there once a year and doesnt follow conventional media.

[K4309 257]

2 hours ago, waikiore said:

The PR side has been a disaster, and even the yacht clubs havent been given info packs to distribute-never mind runabout man who nips out there once a year and doesnt follow conventional media.

I don't think vilifying boaties as the sole cause of the spread helps much either.

Wind and tides anyone?

[alibaba 77]

Caulerpa, like most seaweeds, can reproduce by producing eggs and sperm cells which fertilise in the water, and then, obviously, spread for kilometers by tidal currents. Although fragmentation also can spread it, once it is established, the action of a few fragments from anchoring ain't going to make much difference.

Once again, like the over reaction to kauri dieback, decisions made without scientific evidence. We pay all the time for the foreign species brought in by international travelling ships. Does anyone really think that ships are carefully and fully compliant about emptying their ballast tanks where they should?

 

[eruptn 95]

58 minutes ago, alibaba said:

Caulerpa, like most seaweeds, can reproduce by producing eggs and sperm cells which fertilise in the water, and then, obviously, spread for kilometers by tidal currents. Although fragmentation also can spread it, once it is established, the action of a few fragments from anchoring ain't going to make much difference.

Once again, like the over reaction to kauri dieback, decisions made without scientific evidence. We pay all the time for the foreign species brought in by international travelling ships. Does anyone really think that ships are carefully and fully compliant about emptying their ballast tanks where they should?

 

No they anchor offshore an we send divers out to clean them!

wonder where the debris goes….?

 

[K4309 257]

1 hour ago, eruptn said:

No they anchor offshore an we send divers out to clean them!

wonder where the debris goes….?

 

When they get caught, that is.

[CarpeDiem 430]

15 hours ago, alibaba said:

Caulerpa, like most seaweeds, can reproduce by producing eggs and sperm cells which fertilise in the water, and then, obviously, spread for kilometers by tidal currents. Although fragmentation also can spread it, once it is established, the action of a few fragments from anchoring ain't going to make much difference.

Its primary mechanism of reproduction is asexual, which is caused by fragmentation.  Sexual reproduction causes the Caulerpa plant to die completely. The plant has to be already on its way out for it to initiate sexual reproduction. Our Caulerpa is young healthy vibrant... 

Anchors fragment the plant. Fragments as small as 1cm can be a viable plant, carried by the currents or carried in anchor wells long distances.

If it was being spread easily by currents then the east Auckland current would spread it all the way down the east coast of the north island to the Chatham rise.

[K4309 257]

40 minutes ago, CarpeDiem said:

Its primary mechanism of reproduction is asexual, which is caused by fragmentation.  Sexual reproduction causes the Caulerpa plant to die completely. The plant has to be already on its way out for it to initiate sexual reproduction. Our Caulerpa is young healthy vibrant... 

Anchors fragment the plant. Fragments as small as 1cm can be a viable plant, carried by the currents or carried in anchor wells long distances.

If it was being spread easily by currents then the east Auckland current would spread it all the way down the east coast of the north island to the Chatham rise.

Has anyone looked on the Chatham rise yet? Doesn't mean it's not there.

Took between 2 and 5 years to be discovered on Barrier. Was there all along.

Has spread to Waiheke and Kawau, Iris shoal. Not a lot of boats anchor on Iris Shoal. Most boats anchor in Bon Accord, hasn't been found there...