Yachting NZ to be investigated

[ex Elly 245]

Sport Integrity Commission launch investigation into Yachting NZ following raft of conduct complaints

The Sport Integrity Commission has launched an investigation into Yachting NZ following a raft of cultural, athlete welfare and conduct complaints.

The investigation, instigated under section 32 of the Integrity Sport and Recreation Act, is set to be the first high profile test of the new agency's powers.

The new agency has received at least five separate complaints against YNZ.

It is not believed any current athletes in YNZ's high performance programme are among the complainants.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/sport/537334/sport-integrity-commission-launch-investigation-into-yachting-nz-following-raft-of-conduct-complaints

 

[Black Panther 1,745]

Anyone able to tell us in plain English what they've been up to ?

[Priscilla II 417]

2 hours ago, Black Panther said:

Anyone able to tell us in plain English what they've been up to ?

Here's a start...

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/in-depth/517985/allegations-of-bias-inconsistency-in-olympics-yachting-selections

[K4309 395]

3 hours ago, Black Panther said:

Anyone able to tell us in plain English what they've been up to ?

One of the selectors was the father of the guy trying to get selected for the 49er for the Olympics. Would not excuse himself from the selectors panel even though there was a jaw dropping conflict of interest.

Half the team qualified for the Olympics but then YNZ refused to nominate / select them. Happened to be the non-traditional events of kiting and wind-foiling I believe. That is just the stuff we know about publicly. Fairly sure I've missed some public stuff amongst that.

That, and of course YNZ is now the personal empire of Abercrombie, who has been CEO for like, forever. Answerable to no-one.

It has been clear for some time that YNZ needs a good clean out. The carrying on at Cycling NZ, Rowing NZ and High Performance Sport was always going to catch up with YNZ.

[Bad Kitty 311]

15 hours ago, Black Panther said:

Anyone able to tell us in plain English what they've been up to ?

Well, if you're a cruising yachtie, pretty much zero?

[Guest 129]

13 hours ago, K4309 said:

One of the selectors was the father of the guy trying to get selected for the 49er for the Olympics. Would not excuse himself from the selectors panel even though there was a jaw dropping conflict of interest.

Half the team qualified for the Olympics but then YNZ refused to nominate / select them. Happened to be the non-traditional events of kiting and wind-foiling I believe. That is just the stuff we know about publicly. Fairly sure I've missed some public stuff amongst that.

That, and of course YNZ is now the personal empire of Abercrombie, who has been CEO for like, forever. Answerable to no-one.

It has been clear for some time that YNZ needs a good clean out. The carrying on at Cycling NZ, Rowing NZ and High Performance Sport was always going to catch up with YNZ.

Yep, tenure and humans is generally counter productive.

[lebleaux 8]

On 22/12/2024 at 9:32 AM, Bad Kitty said:

Well, if you're a cruising yachtie, pretty much zero?

As a cruising yachtie, what would you like them to be 'up to'?

[Black Panther 1,745]

What an excellent question. 

High on my list would be agitating against registration and licensing.  There is a strong push from some harbourmasters to implement this and if we do nothing it will drop on us from above.

Not to say I don't have sympathy for those complaining about antisocial behaviour on the water, every weekend we have to suffer idiots in fizz boats going past us on a semiplane. But licensing and registration don't work,  so ynz could work with those bureaucrats to find an enforcement solution that would work.

 

Also the biggest problem for cruisers is ynz does not represent sailors, they represent yacht clubs, and in the past have used this as a loophole to avoid something they don't want to address, like licensing and registration. 

[John B 112]

YNZ decided to abandon cruising yachties , walk away from us and hand us to some understaffed , overworked VTNZ for boats in the form of Maritime NZ.  I have no sympathy for YNZ at all , they can rot in hell, this is just another indicator of just how disfunctional that organisation is.

[Bad Kitty 311]

21 hours ago, lebleaux said:

As a cruising yachtie, what would you like them to be 'up to'?

Well not walking away from the Cat 1 role, and watching idly while it devolves into the train wreck it’s fast becoming would be a start?

[Jon 407]

Is there any commitment out there to diverge cruising and large boat sailing/racing from Dinghy racing ?

Let YNZ keep dinghy racing / Olympics, which is what they are interested in and actually quite good at

Then create Sailing New Zealand as a seperate entity to provide for big boat racing and cruising. ??

[Clipper 370]

42 minutes ago, Jon said:

Is there any commitment out there to diverge cruising and large boat sailing/racing from Dinghy racing ?

Let YNZ keep dinghy racing / Olympics, which is what they are interested in and actually quite good at

Then create Sailing New Zealand as a seperate entity to provide for big boat racing and cruising. ??

Damn, what a brilliant idea. Not a lot in common between racing a laser around the cans and getting a 40' raceboat safely to Fiji. Aside from basic rules and being powered by wind. 

I am just assuming the current custerfuck of YNZ/IVC/Cat 1/Polish registration has killed (or more positively 'put on hold') offshore racing from this country.

[waikiore 466]

Not a bad idea Jon however I see funding as an issue straight away, and we havent got the numbers US has with their current fighting. 

[Clipper 370]

US are doing this? Thats interesting.

Yes, funding is an issue, but I think you might find people happy to pay to an organisation that is working for them. It almost feels like YNZ are against us presently (I know they arn't)

[Psyche 779]

if they are supporting the cruising yachtie and club keelboater, I remain uninformed of any advocacy or programs. I would like YNZ to take an active role in opposing the current anti yacht ownership policies of the council et al.

They seem very focused on gongs for dinghy clubs

[CarpeDiem 520]

2 hours ago, Jon said:

Then create Sailing New Zealand as a seperate entity to provide for big boat racing and cruising. ??

Can't be done for racing. 

World Sailing stipulates a country can only have one MNA, which for us is Yachting NZ.

Clubs need to put pressure on YNZ to change if change is required. 

With the exception of PHRF, I don't know what other value YNZ add to my small patch of the sport. The three clubs I am a member of don't exactly sing the praises of YNZ in any publications they produce.

I reached out to YNZ once when the BOI mammal sanctuary was taking submissions. They replied that they were putting in a submission. That was good enough for me.  But there's literally nothing on their Advocacy News pages. 

While I am happy for YNZ to exist and provide me with the RRS and PHRF it would be nice to see them doing something else that promotes and impacts big boat racing. 

[ex Elly 245]

4 hours ago, CarpeDiem said:

With the exception of PHRF, I don't know what other value YNZ add to my small patch of the sport.

Don't forget the safety regs. Cat 3, Cat 4, etc.

[waikiore 466]

They are largely funded by Olympic money, but forget all of us multi yacht club members who keep them going year by year, good example: when many moorings were proposed for Rakino amongst other spots AYBA went into legal battle for us the cruising boaties , YNZ did not murmur. With Cat 1 tipped out will three four and five follow or are we to self police within the clubs? Interestingly a number of the races that I enjoy each year are now run under Colregs with no luffing rules etc and we all enjoy them. 

[Jon 407]

7 hours ago, CarpeDiem said:

Can't be done for racing. 

World Sailing stipulates a country can only have one MNA, which for us is Yachting NZ.

Clubs need to put pressure on YNZ to change if change is required. 

With the exception of PHRF, I don't know what other value YNZ add to my small patch of the sport. The three clubs I am a member of don't exactly sing the praises of YNZ in any publications they produce.

I reached out to YNZ once when the BOI mammal sanctuary was taking submissions. They replied that they were putting in a submission. That was good enough for me.  But there's literally nothing on their Advocacy News pages. 

While I am happy for YNZ to exist and provide me with the RRS and PHRF it would be nice to see them doing something else that promotes and impacts big boat racing. 

Can’t be done with that attitude 😊

If the keelboat,multi racing clubs and cruising clubs decide to break away the RRS don’t belong to YNZ

As for funding YNZ don’t tell us the numbers, however if there are 5000 club members who all pay $30 plus a bit of corporate funding it would go a long way with predominantly volunteers

Not saying that it would be easy but with some self ownership I think we would get much more investment. Most races/ cruising rallies are at a minimum 90% volunteer run now

[CarpeDiem 520]

28 minutes ago, Jon said:

Can’t be done with that attitude 😊

If the keelboat,multi racing clubs and cruising clubs decide to break away the RRS don’t belong to YNZ

As for funding YNZ don’t tell us the numbers, however if there are 5000 club members who all pay $30 plus a bit of corporate funding it would go a long way with predominantly volunteers

Not saying that it would be easy but with some self ownership I think we would get much more investment. Most races/ cruising rallies are at a minimum 90% volunteer run now

Surely the starting point is to ask YNZ to fix whatever is broken?

This starts with our sailing clubs. 

If club members think that YNZ is missing the mark then they can approach the appropriate club committee, get on the committee and start the process of change.

Yachting NZ meeting minutes are littered with clubs asking for YNZ to change.  Eg, introducing the capability for multiclub members to only contribute to YNZ once.

If changes are required then YNZ needs to hear it from their membership.  If clubs do not like the response or lack of action then clubs can take it up directly with World Sailing or High Performance NZ or Sport NZ or any one else who YNZ is accountable too.