YNZ Race Regulations Cat1-Cat5; Anomalies and concerns

[Deep Purple 212]

3 minutes ago, chariot said:

Would be no fun out in front of your place at the moment. Blowing like hell down by the waterways

Northerly thank heavens. 

[Deep Purple 212]

Okay todays question, I just went and bought some smoke flares for the SSANZ Triple Series

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From the safety regulations

Keelboat rules "Flares must not be more than 3 years old as indicated by the expiry date"

Trailer boat rules "Flares which are more than 3 years old from the date of manufacture are not acceptable"

 

So written on my new flares are

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Date of manufacture 11/2019

Date of Expiry 11/2023

 

Are my flares legal in July 2023? It would seem not under both rules although they are written differently

What gives YNZ the right to override the manufacturers specification?

WTF am i paying levies for when YNZ can't even address basic safety regulations.

[Deep Purple 212]

Actually these rules seem to have been written by someone for whom English is a second language. Lets consider for a moment..... "Flares must not be more than 3 years old as indicated by the expiry date"

How could the expiry day even show how old they are? Does the date of death on a headstone alone show how old the person was?

Edited May 6, 2020 by Deep Purple

[Island Time 771]

That could be worded better, but the manufacturer knows when they were made. They stamp on the expiry date, 3 years from then...

[Start Me Up 2]

13 minutes ago, Island Time said:

That could be worded better, but the manufacturer knows when they were made. They stamp on the expiry date, 3 years from then...

Nah, most manufacturers have a 4 year expiry date nowadays.

[Deep Purple 212]

23 minutes ago, Island Time said:

That could be worded better, but the manufacturer knows when they were made. They stamp on the expiry date, 3 years from then...

Not the case. YNZ wording makes legal flares illegal

The correct wording is "Flare currency must be within the manufacturers specifications"

 

 

Edited May 6, 2020 by Deep Purple

[Clipper 195]

Ignore the age,  anyone checking (with a brain) will just look at the expiry date.

[Deep Purple 212]

Hopefully Ken but if there is a loss (life or property) because of the failure of a 3 1/2 year old flare then the liability will be on.......

The YNZ inspector for Categories 1,2 and 3 for issuing a certificate when the flares didn't comply with the rule

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The skipper for Categories 4 and 5 for declaring the boat complied with the rules when it didn't

[BOIGuy 137]

32 minutes ago, Deep Purple said:

Hopefully Ken but if there is a loss (life or property) because of the failure of a 3 1/2 year old flare then the liability will be on.......

The YNZ inspector for Categories 1,2 and 3 for issuing a certificate when the flares didn't comply with the rule

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The skipper for Categories 4 and 5 for declaring the boat complied with the rules when it didn't

Pulling a pretty long bow to hit that target, be pretty hard to put a loss of life down to a flare failure during a race. Have you read a Cat 1 /2 SI or NOR lately?

By the time your 3 different emergency response GPS linked tracking system buttons didn't work and your several expensive methods of communication have failed, and Epirbs PLB's etc, blaming a flare failure for a death is pushing it to say the least.

Lets get back to focusing on how to make sailing, and racing, more accessible and cheaper, not trying to stop people doing it because it might appear to be a little bit dangerous to a bureaucrat / Lawyer.

I do however agree that the wording of the regulations might benefit from review by someone competent in English and Logic.

[Jon 144]

I think I’ll change the SSANZ NoR to “ Flares must be current according to manufacturers date stamp”

or the likes

I’ve checked probably hundreds and only ever looked at expiration date, have I been neglectful ?