YNZ Race Regulations Cat1-Cat5; Anomalies and concerns

[Deep Purple 218]

On the bright side, other boats can't protest under rule17 and I'm sure the race committee don't want to open that can of worms

[BOIGuy 137]

Here is the OSR for Anchors, Cat 1,2,3. Nice and simple isn't it, lesson to be learned there YNZ

2 un-modified anchors that meet the anchor manufacturer’s recommendation
based on the boat’s dimensions with suitable combination of chain and rope,
ready for immediate assembly, and ready for deployment within 5 minutes
except that for a boat less than 8.5 m (28’) LH there shall be 1 anchor
meeting the same criteria.

 

Remember this bit, need we say more?

The Maritime Transport Act 1994 states that the master of the vessel is
at all times responsible for the safety of the vessel, the safety of those
on board, discipline on board and for complying with all maritime
rules, regulations and bylaws.

[BOIGuy 137]

And this bit really makes it interesting:

"These regulations do not replace, but rather supplement the
requirements of Maritime New Zealand and the World Sailing and ORC
safety requirements for racing yachts."

So why the hell have we got this whole book of rules when you actually have to follow the WS OSR any way?

When the NZ regs are different to the OSR which one takes precedent?

When something is in the OSR and not in the NZ regs do fail your inspection if you don't meet the OSR?

It would be quite a laugh if it weren't so serious, its about saving peoples lives.

At what point does MNZ need to step in and get YNZ to get their sh*t together?

[harrytom 263]

One would presume that MNZ overrides YNZ in the event of a mishap YNZ couldnt prosecute you but can exclude your entry etc But MNZ could prosecute.

Probably need a test case as to the legality of YNZ to up hold or supplement safety gear.

[marinheiro 150]

On 4/01/2021 at 4:52 AM, harrytom said:

One would presume that MNZ overrides YNZ in the event of a mishap YNZ couldnt prosecute you but can exclude your entry etc But MNZ could prosecute.

Probably need a test case as to the legality of YNZ to up hold or supplement safety gear.

interesting to read the inspectors undertake their duties on behalf of MNZ, not YNZ(who just appoint them)

YNZ is not a government body, hence they have no authority to prosecute 

[harrytom 263]

5 hours ago, marinheiro said:

interesting to read the inspectors undertake their duties on behalf of MNZ, not YNZ(who just appoint them)

YNZ is not a government body, hence they have no authority to prosecute 

Correct but seem to be hell bent on going over the top on some equipment(YNZ) compared to what MNZ requires

Is this the reason as to why some fleets have dropped off.Cat 4 covers harbour/inshore. Why would I need lea clothes on the bunks or bloody toilet/bucket fitted for a harbour race??Then this nonsense,need approved water containers but no mention of carrying water till cat 3.

[KM... 830]

On 29/12/2020 at 2:41 PM, BOIGuy said:

Here is the OSR for Anchors, Cat 1,2,3. Nice and simple isn't it, lesson to be learned there YNZ

2 un-modified anchors that meet the anchor manufacturer’s recommendation
based on the boat’s dimensions with suitable combination of chain and rope,
ready for immediate assembly, and ready for deployment within 5 minutes
except that for a boat less than 8.5 m (28’) LH there shall be 1 anchor
meeting the same criteria.

 

Remember this bit, need we say more?

The Maritime Transport Act 1994 states that the master of the vessel is
at all times responsible for the safety of the vessel, the safety of those
on board, discipline on board and for complying with all maritime
rules, regulations and bylaws.

The worst possible anchoring specs around are MNZ's, Muppets New Zealand.

The gear Capt James Cook used on the Endeavour when they sailed down here 100's of years ago WOULD be acceptable for use on commercial boats in NZ waters.

I argue with MNZ, in a round about way as there is no way you can criticize a Govt Dept without risk of nasty retaliation, once a week, if not more, in an effort to makes NZ boats safer, in some cases VASTLY, than they would be if they followed MNZ rules. MNZ's rules means there are crews out there in NZ waters now NOT as safe as they could be.

The current situation is frustrating the hell out of everyone involved bar MNZ itself. They don't seem to care.

 

YNZ are agents for MNZ but neither follows the law in the manner they should and they say they do so I'd think both organisations could be deep in the sh*t if someone wanted to push the point if a big nasty incident happened. But we all know the only one who will be thrown to the wolves by both YNZ and MNZ is the Inspector, the dude only trying to do the best he can in a system which has serious issues and failings.