Deep Purple 221 Posted December 22, 2020 Report Share Posted December 22, 2020 On the bright side, other boats can't protest under rule17 and I'm sure the race committee don't want to open that can of worms Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BOIGuy 142 Posted December 29, 2020 Report Share Posted December 29, 2020 Here is the OSR for Anchors, Cat 1,2,3. Nice and simple isn't it, lesson to be learned there YNZ 2 un-modified anchors that meet the anchor manufacturer’s recommendation based on the boat’s dimensions with suitable combination of chain and rope, ready for immediate assembly, and ready for deployment within 5 minutes except that for a boat less than 8.5 m (28’) LH there shall be 1 anchor meeting the same criteria. Remember this bit, need we say more? The Maritime Transport Act 1994 states that the master of the vessel is at all times responsible for the safety of the vessel, the safety of those on board, discipline on board and for complying with all maritime rules, regulations and bylaws. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BOIGuy 142 Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 And this bit really makes it interesting: "These regulations do not replace, but rather supplement the requirements of Maritime New Zealand and the World Sailing and ORC safety requirements for racing yachts." So why the hell have we got this whole book of rules when you actually have to follow the WS OSR any way? When the NZ regs are different to the OSR which one takes precedent? When something is in the OSR and not in the NZ regs do fail your inspection if you don't meet the OSR? It would be quite a laugh if it weren't so serious, its about saving peoples lives. At what point does MNZ need to step in and get YNZ to get their sh*t together? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 271 Posted January 3 Report Share Posted January 3 One would presume that MNZ overrides YNZ in the event of a mishap YNZ couldnt prosecute you but can exclude your entry etc But MNZ could prosecute. Probably need a test case as to the legality of YNZ to up hold or supplement safety gear. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
marinheiro 152 Posted January 5 Report Share Posted January 5 On 4/01/2021 at 4:52 AM, harrytom said: One would presume that MNZ overrides YNZ in the event of a mishap YNZ couldnt prosecute you but can exclude your entry etc But MNZ could prosecute. Probably need a test case as to the legality of YNZ to up hold or supplement safety gear. interesting to read the inspectors undertake their duties on behalf of MNZ, not YNZ(who just appoint them) YNZ is not a government body, hence they have no authority to prosecute Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 271 Posted January 6 Report Share Posted January 6 5 hours ago, marinheiro said: interesting to read the inspectors undertake their duties on behalf of MNZ, not YNZ(who just appoint them) YNZ is not a government body, hence they have no authority to prosecute Correct but seem to be hell bent on going over the top on some equipment(YNZ) compared to what MNZ requires Is this the reason as to why some fleets have dropped off.Cat 4 covers harbour/inshore. Why would I need lea clothes on the bunks or bloody toilet/bucket fitted for a harbour race??Then this nonsense,need approved water containers but no mention of carrying water till cat 3. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KM... 834 Posted January 10 Report Share Posted January 10 On 29/12/2020 at 2:41 PM, BOIGuy said: Here is the OSR for Anchors, Cat 1,2,3. Nice and simple isn't it, lesson to be learned there YNZ 2 un-modified anchors that meet the anchor manufacturer’s recommendation based on the boat’s dimensions with suitable combination of chain and rope, ready for immediate assembly, and ready for deployment within 5 minutes except that for a boat less than 8.5 m (28’) LH there shall be 1 anchor meeting the same criteria. Remember this bit, need we say more? The Maritime Transport Act 1994 states that the master of the vessel is at all times responsible for the safety of the vessel, the safety of those on board, discipline on board and for complying with all maritime rules, regulations and bylaws. The worst possible anchoring specs around are MNZ's, Muppets New Zealand. The gear Capt James Cook used on the Endeavour when they sailed down here 100's of years ago WOULD be acceptable for use on commercial boats in NZ waters. I argue with MNZ, in a round about way as there is no way you can criticize a Govt Dept without risk of nasty retaliation, once a week, if not more, in an effort to makes NZ boats safer, in some cases VASTLY, than they would be if they followed MNZ rules. MNZ's rules means there are crews out there in NZ waters now NOT as safe as they could be. The current situation is frustrating the hell out of everyone involved bar MNZ itself. They don't seem to care. YNZ are agents for MNZ but neither follows the law in the manner they should and they say they do so I'd think both organisations could be deep in the sh*t if someone wanted to push the point if a big nasty incident happened. But we all know the only one who will be thrown to the wolves by both YNZ and MNZ is the Inspector, the dude only trying to do the best he can in a system which has serious issues and failings. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Deep Purple 221 Posted 6 hours ago Report Share Posted 6 hours ago A little over a day before the biggest keelboat regatta in the country kicks off and we have no safety regulations. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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