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52 minutes ago, Tamure said:

I dont want to be an aqua karen

Well if you’re not prepared to help the collective effort to help / change / improve things don’t complain about the situation then.

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20 minutes ago, Terry B said:

This what I put in the appropriate section...... not the best wording perhaps but it was very early this morning.. 😏

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I think that’s spot on. Well done.

Don’t worry about the finesse of the wording it’s the intent of your message that matters not how you said it (thankfully this forum is not yet full of woke snowflakes so the focus is mainly on the meaning not the messenger)!

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Done but crikey had to swap from tablet to computer to register caps lock plus 8 characters and numbers password wtf.

Got ominous feeling that this is a done deal going to be like the recent costly Council consultation on rates increases choices which were promptly dismissed and ignored.

I'm for 10knots.

 

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12 knots is probably the worst possible speed they could choose for generating wake... most big launches are trying to get over the hump and plane at this speed so generate the biggest waves. 18knots at least lets them plane and the wakes actually reduce.

Personally I think the inner harbour (North head in) is crap for racing, big tide, heavy traffic, shitty wind from the buildings etc. I'm actually in favour of P.O.A extending wharfs and hopefully that forces the yacht clubs to start and finish racing at Orakei. The improved quality of racing would more than make up for the 30 min motor (positive side effect is it gives fridge time to cool the drinks!)

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On 26/11/2020 at 11:13 AM, Fogg said:

The pilot boats break the speed limited every hour of the day.

That's because it's part of the exempt fleet who are allowed too at specific times or situations. Also it's berth is only just around the corner from it's berth is the high speed lane which opens to no restriction waters so it's 'Sub 12kt' zone is only a few 100m at best, most of which is inside the Ports restricted area.

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2 hours ago, KM... said:

That's because it's part of the exempt fleet who are allowed too at specific times or situations. Also it's berth is only just around the corner from it's berth is the high speed lane which opens to no restriction waters so it's 'Sub 12kt' zone is only a few 100m at best, most of which is inside the Ports restricted area.

No I meant they break their own rules about speed limits and zones. Don’t ask me how I know this.

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5 hours ago, Cameron said:

Personally I think the inner harbour (North head in) is crap for racing, big tide, heavy traffic, shitty wind from the buildings etc. I'm actually in favour of P.O.A extending wharfs and hopefully the forces the yacht clubs to start and finish racing at Orakei. The improved quality of racing would more than make up for the 30 min motor (positive side effect is it gives fridge time to cool the drinks!)

Wow. I think Ive stated that word for word a number of times!

Finish the race, by the time you are in, boats packed up, sail cover on, beers opened...

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7 hours ago, Winter said:

The results so far:image.thumb.png.b66e644011123c350c2f6e5ad8ad27cd.png

Classic council survey. 

10 is winning, 8 votes, good enough to claim a mandate. "most people preferred...." 

8 votes are for faster than the current limit, did they win too? 

Every option has more people voting against it than for it.

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2 hours ago, Rangi1 said:

How do you know this?

I know this because POA installed a new AIS system earlier this year (with Vesper) that monitors the position & speed of each individual pilot boat in their fleet and sends them individual warning alerts to their Vesper transceivers if they approach or enter a speed restricted area at excessive speed. But the system didn’t work properly and the personalised AIS messages saying “slow the f*ck down boat #3” that were meant to be sent to the specific pilot boat’s MMSI were sent to me instead. So as a ship either entered or left Auckland I would start getting multiple alarms (loud and annoying) to my MFD as the pilots broke their own POA speed limits whilst they were too busy eating donuts and running over marine life. Vesper had to come to my boat to set up a workaround on my MFD to stop the alerts. But I had to put up with this sh*t everyday I was on the boat for about a month until they did that. So based on that I reckon the pilots are still flouting their own rules.

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Unless I missed it,there are 2 very important question that needed to be asked.

1)are you a user of the Waitemata.

2)What type of vessel do you use.

These are important because you get all sorts responding who may never ever use the harbour and 2 if enough respondents are power vessel owners it would go in their favour to increase speeds, but if the majority were shown to be kayakers/yacht's it could be a different outcome.

Its proberly already set in stone and council just going through the motions.

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On 27/11/2020 at 5:21 PM, harrytom said:

Unless I missed it,there are 2 very important question that needed to be asked.

1)are you a user of the Waitemata.

2)What type of vessel do you use.

These are important because you get all sorts responding who may never ever use the harbour and 2 if enough respondents are power vessel owners it would go in their favour to increase speeds, but if the majority were shown to be kayakers/yacht's it could be a different outcome.

Its proberly already set in stone and council just going through the motions.

100% correct but sadly the Akl Shitty Council has a very VERY solid track record of making the call they want then seeking 'consultation' in only places, manners and wordings that will come back saying those that responded want exactly what the council has already decided to do.

The list of things they have done based on seriously dodgy feedback and support is far larger than the list of things the public do actually support them on.

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We have been through this all before when they introduced the limit.

It was originally planned to be a 10 knot limit, but after consultation they set it at 12 knots to reduce wake because some launches can't plane at 10 knots.

 

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