Jon 386 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 5 hours ago, Island Time said: Not conclusive yet. Still discussion going on between MNZ and YNZ, but not looking great. It’s conclusive now Only Cat 1 that will be handled by YNZ inspectors is for Cat 1 races Plus all inspectors are going to need to apply to be reinstated as inspectors for Cat 1-5, so I’d read between the lines that there will be a cull Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 507 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 25 minutes ago, Jon said: It’s conclusive now Only Cat 1 that will be handled by YNZ inspectors is for Cat 1 races Which is really how it should be... Why should ISAF yacht racing safety rules ever have applied to pleasure vessels leaving NZ? 3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 507 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, Psyche said: What is the legislation that makes offshore registration illegal? The legislation states one can't be a NZ Citizen and own a boat that is foreign registered. (ignoring dual citizenship which is a separate minefield). Ownership has to be held through a foreign holding company or other such entity, and then the NZ Citizen cannot be the owner of the entity, so now you need a foreign agent such as a lawyer or a trustee to own/manage your entity/vessel and act on your behalf under your instructions. All fairly simple to set up, and many companies make moolah doing this, but when something goes wrong with the foreign entity structure or the individual agent you have appointed, you need to exercise your rights in a foreign court to get control back. I certainly cannot see that it's a case of register once and forget. I guess it might make insurance more complicated as well, especially claims, not sure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 709 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Do you know which other countries require something similar to Cat 1 to depart? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 507 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 36 minutes ago, Psyche said: Do you know which other countries require something similar to Cat 1 to depart? No. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattm 104 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 4 hours ago, Jon said: Only Cat 1 that will be handled by YNZ inspectors is for Cat 1 races If there is a silver lining to all of this, it might be that the numbers for the next Auckland - Fiji / Noumea / ‘anywhere but here’ race are much better than in recent history. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 386 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 8 hours ago, mattm said: If there is a silver lining to all of this, it might be that the numbers for the next Auckland - Fiji / Noumea / ‘anywhere but here’ race are much better than in recent history. I can’t see it Sounds more like you will probably need both sign off from YNZ to race and MNZ to depart as YNZ won’t have the delegation to issue the clearance cert 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 507 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, Jon said: I can’t see it Sounds more like you will probably need both sign off from YNZ to race and MNZ to depart as YNZ won’t have the delegation to issue the clearance cert Yeah, Sea Survival, Medic and all the safety requirements come from World Sailing. I can't see MNZ being licensed/permitted to use World Sailing rules so it will be interesting to see what safety requirements MNZ come up with... I am going to be impressed to see what they have in place by July 1st. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattm 104 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 2 hours ago, Jon said: I can’t see it Sounds more like you will probably need both sign off from YNZ to race and MNZ to depart as YNZ won’t have the delegation to issue the clearance cert Ah. Of course. Doubling the bureaucracy should have been my starting point. Silly me. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 109 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 On 19/06/2024 at 8:33 AM, Jon said: It’s going to get worse YNZ are giving it back to MNZ I’m considering offshore registration now and Polish is 395 euros for lifetime rego and all done online in less than a week Isn't UK only 150 quid for lifetime? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 109 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 ie Part 1 -153 pounds for 5yrs & Doesn't seem to have the 185day resident clause and cost 72 pounds to renew for another 5yrs. But you have to have UK citizenship. My wife does, yeah dangerous! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 507 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 The most logical thing for MNZ to do would be make it self certifying. Master of the ship signs off and completes a stat dec that they meet the safety requirements. Just like Cat 4 and Cat 5 are self certifying. Then randomly inspect. An inspector could just show up with the immigration officer... Job done. This is after all what every other flag does... Then YNZ can learn from that and do the same for Cat2 and Cat3 and put the oneous on OAs to actually carry out the spot checks they threaten in their NoR's but never do... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 438 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 For a bit of thread drift , another keel fell off over in Queensland sadly a loss of life -interesting boat appears to have very flared topsides. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clipper 356 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 29 minutes ago, CarpeDiem said: Then YNZ can learn from that and do the same for Cat2 and Cat3 and put the oneous on OAs to actually carry out the spot checks they threaten in their NoR's but never do... The best OA I race with does plenty of safety checks... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 386 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, CarpeDiem said: The most logical thing for MNZ to do would be make it self certifying. Master of the ship signs off and completes a stat dec that they meet the safety requirements. Just like Cat 4 and Cat 5 are self certifying. Then randomly inspect. An inspector could just show up with the immigration officer... Job done. This is after all what every other flag does... Then YNZ can learn from that and do the same for Cat2 and Cat3 and put the oneous on OAs to actually carry out the spot checks they threaten in their NoR's but never do... your offshore, have you run out of wind or something ? Starlink must be working well Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 507 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 43 minutes ago, Jon said: your offshore, have you run out of wind or something ? Starlink must be working well Haha. Thanks for the Cat 1 Cert Jon 🙂🙂 I hope this mess works out for you! Yesterday was a yucky sea state. Wind has been fairly constantly 10-20knots... A few dead spots have required the motor, but given the overcast days that has been useful to top up the Lithiums. We've been hanging out between two fronts for the last few days it's remarkably pleasant compared to my last trip in 50+ knots 🤣😭 we can't get far enough into the northern front as it collapses in front of us and we keep sailing out of the southern one... first world problems 😭 Starlink is unbelievably good. I got a full day of work in yesterday including video conference calls. Although I needed a G&T to get to the end of the working day. I am not sure about Cruising Cats... It's not really sailing, feels more like a ferry service. I don't feel like I have done any sailing... Not even putting the gennaker up feels like sailing... But I gotta get a few of these fancy sock thingies for CD when short handed, what absolute LUXURY! Here's the obligatory sunset photo from day 1. (noises in the background) https://forecast.predictwind.com/tracking/display/Vitality/ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K4309 350 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 2 hours ago, waikiore said: For a bit of thread drift , another keel fell off over in Queensland sadly a loss of life -interesting boat appears to have very flared topsides. Second time it's fallen off that particular boat too. Would make jokes about slow learning and what not, but unfortunately a guy died this time. The wings are water ballasted, was designed by Sayer for the Mel-Osaka back in the day. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 438 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Oh dear K -that is not Wasabi's sistership again is it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K4309 350 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, waikiore said: Oh dear K -that is not Wasabi's sistership again is it? Not sure. This boat was called Runaway, think it was renamed after the keel feel off the first time. All the info is on SA, including a thread with far more knowledge than me. keel hauled – Sailing Anarchy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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