Battleship 100 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 The yellow squares are the containers the port authority is keeping a close eye on them . Still a few not accounted for tho. Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I don't think it's so much sick of being talked down to rather that these officials have proven themselves to be idiots time and time again.Yeah and also being talked down to. Ones in Authority have to realise that they are not the only ones with a clue. I think that is made very obvious here. Such a high calabre of expertese in all sorts of areas. Hey Squid, maybe you should start hiring out Crew.org as professional problem solvers. Link to post Share on other sites
johnMi 2 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Hey Squid, maybe you should start hiring out Crew.org as professional problem solvers. It's always so easy to criticize and advise, but don't underestimate the expertise of those doing the work. It's getting done. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Just as easy to make poorly researched media reports as well Link to post Share on other sites
Chewing Gum 17 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Thanks Wheels for the container info. Very interesting. Prob still a v remote chance of encountering a container ( at least up until now !!) or more people would have seen them floating around the place. Link to post Share on other sites
grant 40 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Interesting that the of oil that came off in the early part of the disaster (300 tonnes) was supposed to have stopped anymore leaking after the bow tank fuel was pumped aft and the aft tanks sealed. Now they are talking about only 700 tonnes left, that leaves 700 tonnes unaccounted for. Well we can all see where it has gone! The method of sealing the tanks must have been a joke. The 700t left is confirmed in one undamaged tank, from what I understand they hadn't been able check the other tank so don't know if that is still intact or damaged. Link to post Share on other sites
grant 40 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Just as easy to make poorly researched media reports as well is there any other type?? Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 This is a rather serious allegation. Remember, this is just one persons view and it is NOT a proven scenario. If it is true, It makes sense of how, but the questions raised would be Who? and Why? Maybe another scenario is that the Person that plotted that course did NOT see the reef glaring at them on a Chart. Maybe, just maybe that chart does not have the reef on it. Maybe they were they were behind in schedule and simply plotted a course directly for the Harbour Marker. A deliberate decision was made to change the course of the container ship Rena to head it smack on to the Astrolabe Reef an hour before it grounded, a marine expert says.An internationally recognised marine risk expert has plotted the fateful final hours of the ship's course using data transmitted by the ship's own instruments. The Dominion Post has obtained charts made by a Wellington-based senior partner in Marico Marine, John Riding, who said if someone looked at the ship's charts after changing course the reef would be "staring them in the face". "They have deviated from their planned course, and a watch keeper would not have a reason to make a decision to deviate," Mr Riding said. "You can see they've made that managed change of course and kept everything steady." The charts Mr Riding made of the Rena's course and speed were made using specialist technology and software developed by Marico Marine. The technology receives coded transponder transmissions that the ship's own instruments must transmit. Another company, Teamtalk, delivers the data from remote reception sites throughout New Zealand and data – containing the ship's identification, speed, course and GPS location – is decoded live. The data is then plotted on electronic navigation charts to show exactly where the ship went and exactly what speed it was doing at Greenwich mean time. Mr Riding said the change of direction saw the Rena heading straight towards the first harbour entrance marker – a radar beacon close to where a Port of Tauranga pilot would take the ship into port. "So they've made radar contact and they know the pilot's boarding position is close to it [the beacon]. They've changed course to go to the beacon. "From when they started to alter course they had at least an hour to recognise the hazard and it would have been staring them in the face on their chart." Mr Riding said the Rena began to accelerate and hit about 33 kilometres per hour (17.8 knots), close to its top speed, as the ship got into sheltered waters, ironically provided by the reef itself. Warning lights from Motiti Island would have been visible. Link to post Share on other sites
oliver 0 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I think that journalist has misrepresented Mr Ridings views a fair bit in the opening paragraphs. He's not quoted anywhere as saying they crashed it deliberately but that's what the headline and introduction implies. reading the actual quotes it sounds more like the scenario you describe Wheels, someone decided to head straight for the marker, changed the course, and stupidly didn't realise there was a big reef in the way. Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I imagine that the actual chart used will now be held somewhere for the investigation. It will be interesting if the chart had the rock or not on it. If it didn't, then I guess that takes all blame away from Cpt and Crew. If it does and the course is plotted right through it, then oh boy. Link to post Share on other sites
darkside 61 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Fairly typical media report, some true, some embellished and no particular care if it's right or wrong. "Mr Riding said the Rena began to accelerate and hit about 33 kilometres per hour (17.8 knots), close to its top speed, as the ship got into sheltered waters, ironically provided by the reef itself" Astrolabe is not the Great Barrier Reef and provides no shelter except for fish life. However it seems likely that they were cutting the corner to beat the tide to get into port. Less oil around here (Omanu) now but bits of insulation from containers in the dunes. They have a few containers tethered to a marker bouy a mile or so out. Lets hope they get the pumps going before it falls apart. After the slow start the clean up of the early spill has been pretty effective on the sand. Getting it off the rocks and seaweed will take a lot longer. I hope the people in the Eastern Bay get the same level of help as here at the Mount. Link to post Share on other sites
MarkMT 68 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I think that journalist has misrepresented Mr Ridings views a fair bit in the opening paragraphs.Agree completely. Unfortunately it's pretty typical of the level of competence in the NZ media. Here's another pretty good clue that the writer has no idea what he's talking about -The data is then plotted on electronic navigation charts to show exactly where the ship went and exactly what speed it was doing at Greenwich mean time. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 MarkMT, Journalists in this country are not competent. None of the journalists reporting on the Rena incident have any idea what they are "reporting" and none them have asked the correct questions. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Just as easy to make poorly researched media reports as well KM - here's a slightly researched release - Fri 14/10/11 - Queensland court fined shipping company $25million for oil spill that fooked many beaches. Big Time!! Doesn't help it to - not happen again but will help to clean it up. You'll need all the help you can get. Since the AC 45's have a active programe dedicated to helping the Environment - why don't you K1W1's get on blower to them & see if they can assist, after all you guys are the leading sailing nation in the world & the home of the AC 45's - Yes?? So there's the precedent set. Now all you blokes have to do is make sure you MAKE your courts - do the same thing. Hopefully for $60 or $90 mil. \ Is there not a good lawyer in 'crews.org' that can get it rolling & out in the public arena where the public can keep the 'blow-tourch' on the pollies?? I found the info online - typed in - Oil spill conviction Queensalnd & up came lots of info on the case. Ciao, james Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Just as easy to make poorly researched media reports as well KM - Here's more - just came up on the video-news. Barges now on site with oil-skimming gear on board. 1350 tonnes of oil still to be removed. Geeze - I do wish they would get at least some of what's going on correct!!! Buggered if'n I know what's happening except that - all is not good. Ciao, james Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 SR, Believe me this casualty will be occupying the courts in NZ and London for the next 2-3 years. Civil Liability, & Criminal and Quasai criminal liabiltiy will all occupy the courts attention. Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 I assume any ideas of removing containers will be postponed till they get all the oil off they can???? My assumption is that they would not want to upset stability and lose the thing into the depths. Link to post Share on other sites
darkside 61 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 How many containers can they retrieve? The ship is listing 20 plus degrees towards the reef, so therefore away from the lift Who will climb up there to attach the chains, release the locks, and will OSH approve? In any swell at all how much of a sway on will a conatiner have by the time it hits the barge deck? Will the crane jib handle the sideways load? Quite a difficult lift Link to post Share on other sites
wheels 543 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 All good points DS. With the look of the coming weeks weather, I suspect Monday will be the day the Stern breaks away. Link to post Share on other sites
PaulR 3 Posted October 15, 2011 Share Posted October 15, 2011 Who will climb up there to attach the chains, release the locks, and will OSH approve? Forget approval, How MUCH will they pay $1,000 per MINUTE aboard Do I hear more bids Link to post Share on other sites
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