Covid 19 and liveaboards

[Sailing NZ 25]

8 minutes ago, Knot Me... maybe said:

Yes thanks, that's the stuff, Giardia.

When I first heard of it I thought they were talking about the Italian police but couldn't work out what cops from the other side of the world would be doing in a stream by Kaikohe

... Looking for covid19?..  or bypassing the traffic in the main Street

[Frank 34]

There is no Plan B, play by the rules and dont get sick !!

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/120770940/coronavirus-government-says-it-has-no-plan-b-if-lockdown-fails-to-stamp-out-covid19

[Fogg 245]

Apparently the Police are doing the rounds at Kawau, politely but firmly telling boaties no moving anchorage, no sailing, no going ashore, no paddle-boarding and even no swimming. They're also taking a log of which boats are where. Despite the lovely weather, locking down at home still like the better option to me (especially as I've needed 2x unexpected emergency dental visits this week)!

[waikiore 92]

Yes I am in touch with one or two at Kawau they are sitting tight except for going out to empty holding tank, plenty of tucker not sure about water though,

i can't for the life of me understand why police are telling individuals not to swim on the east coast as we are further apart than when walking past each other and if it is a part of our daily routine prior to all of this and we are walking to the beach on our own - just easy targets I guess the old grey haired swimmers.

[darkside 26]

I heard a couple of launches turned up at Pakatoa and went ashore for a walk. They were asked to leave, private island etc. A bit of a barney and the police were called. Both launches were fined, not sure for what exactly.

[Fogg 245]

26 minutes ago, darkside said:

I heard a couple of launches turned up at Pakatoa and went ashore for a walk. They were asked to leave, private island etc. A bit of a barney and the police were called. Both launches were fined, not sure for what exactly.

Almost certainly they were fined for going for a walk outside their local area. If they live aboard their local area is their deck. If they live on land it’s their neighbourhood. And under the SOE the Police have the powers to do this (and more). I expect we’ll hear of more cases like this.

[chariot 157]

I don't think you have been able to land on Pakatoa for some time.

[Island Time 807]

Dont panic guys.

You may not at any time walk on private property without permission. I find a fine difficult to believe. 

Currently,  yes, the police are taking photos, lat long, and details of cruisers who are out. You are allowed to go home, if you have one. You can go out, empty tanks etc. If you have to move due to weather, or are going home, you must do a TR. You can go ashore for the same reasons as someone in a house goes out - food, medical, exercise. 

Contrary to above, you may walk ashore, on public land, but must obey the same rules as everyone else - 2m gap, no dangerous sports etc. For the duration of the lockdown, your local area is where you are anchored. 

At Kawau,  the KBC is open Thursdays for fuel and water. Groceries are available, speak to Kawau Civil defense. They will arrange to get them from Walkworth supermarket,  delivery by water taxi.

This is from the police today.

[Romany 93]

IT i just posted, it ended up in page 1 and entirely out of context to posts surrounding it so I deleted. 

Maybe just as well but could be a glitch 4 u to investigate 

[Tamure 428]

4 hours ago, Aleana said:

Apparently the Police are doing the rounds at Kawau, politely but firmly telling boaties no moving anchorage, no sailing, no going ashore, no paddle-boarding and even no swimming. They're also taking a log of which boats are where. Despite the lovely weather, locking down at home still like the better option to me (especially as I've needed 2x unexpected emergency dental visits this week)!

police state, seriously its jobs for the boys..... if youve been on a boat a week or more you have more risk from landlubbers. Love it how all these little hitlers have suddenly appeared in the new smartphone 5g stasi environment

 

[Black Panther 752]

Matè wrong thread.  The one you are looking for is in small talk. 

[waikiore 92]

Good accurate response, IT, people should be aware that most of harbour front Kawau is private property too.

[Tamure 428]

The govt has given a general mandate to get people to stay at home, if you live on a boat in a marina then not much changes but if you happen to  have chosen to "cruise" for the duration or for as long as possible then I don't see any significant issue except compliance with Wellingtons dictates. Boats at Barrier, so what? Good on on them for getting out of town and as I said earlier boaties who have been aboard for this long are more at risk of getting the plague from contact with people ashore. The shops at Tryphena and Fitzroy are not super busy out of season anyway and I would be surprised if the Islanders are high and dry for basic provisions. I suspect that by now the casual liveaboards will be thinking of returning as they have probably run out of treats and a few more weeks of rice and fish with no beer is probably not palatable. Next week as the weather packs in expect a few more back as well. Look at how many boats are out there in the holidays vs number of incidents, its pretty minor.

All in all I think its a beat up, and those getting all worked up over a comparative handful of boats in the gulf are probably not looking at the big picture of 4 million people confined to quarters. The practical reasons dont add up i.e rescues by coastguard- yeah right! Certainly infection has not been spread by yachties who are confined to their vessels. 

I think the dobbing in of people via an anonymous website, helicopters counting boats in bays etc =  excessive govt overreach and as I mention in a previous post, everybody is encouraged to be an informant over petty things which is pretty sad. I am quite happy staying in my crib for the duration, the idea of switching to liveaboard mode especially with this awesome weather was appealing and a nice dream but totally impractical in my situation.

The goal is to stop the spread of the disease by keeping physical distance, we all need to do our bit but as for boaties taking people away from the emergency services, one of my friends is an ER nurse and they are really busy with a lot more scooter and bike injuries, DIY injuries etc not many boat related ones  

I wonder how many genuine liveaboards there are in Auckland. A handful in Bayswater/Westhaven/Gulf H/West Harbour and Hobsonville moorings, must be only a few dozen- to perhaps a hundred?

  

[44forty 98]

Fair comment but , if all recreational boating was allowed imagine the shitstorm out there right now . I think the government is trying to make all recreational activities unattractive to rule breakers to keep the mob under control . And it seems to be working , I can see from cape Rodney to poor knights from my living room and there has only been one yacht I’ve noticed in the last 3 days . Bream bay is dead , gamefishing is dead , coastal fizz boating is dead . 
 

if I saw 20-30 boats out there daily and no repercussions I would be tempted to bust my fence ornament butterfly as it’s been called , out of the club and go sailing with Wal , as would every other bugger I know round here . Sure I’ve never needed the coastguard but at the ramp in paruadise bay on a regular day you will see at least 2-3 boats getting towed in . On a regular day the paruadise bay gas station has an endless procession of boats filling up with gas putting their mitts on the gas nozzle and opening the bait and ice freezers . And that’s just here in this tiny hamlet and that’s just fizz boats . Add to that jet skis , gamefishing boats , yachts , kayaks , paddle boarders etc on a national scale and it gets silly very quickly so one rule for all is really the only pragmatic approach .
 

there’s a much bigger picture out there that extends beyond your own personal anchor roller . I think the authorities are doing the right thing suppressing the mob and as far as boating goes the mob seems to be taking note .

 

 

 

[Fogg 245]

The key point you’re missing is “how do they know?”. If a couple of visitors turn up at Fitzroy store how do they know the boaties are ‘clean & safe’ with 2-3 weeks of liveaboard isolation. Or maybe they came from the mainland yesterday? Or were part of a raft-up last week?
 

We are a long way off having a certification system whereby someone carries a certificate to verify they are clean / immune / recovered / vaccinated etc. It will happen but not til next year.

[44forty 98]

1 hour ago, Aleana said:

The key point you’re missing is “how do they know?”. If a couple of visitors turn up at Fitzroy store how do they know the boaties are ‘clean & safe’ with 2-3 weeks of liveaboard isolation. Or maybe they came from the mainland yesterday? Or were part of a raft-up last week?
 

We are a long way off having a certification system whereby someone carries a certificate to verify they are clean / immune / recovered / vaccinated etc. It will happen but not til next year.

I imagine it would have to be on your passport and/or drivers licence 

[Fogg 245]

39 minutes ago, 44forty said:

I imagine it would have to be on your passport and/or drivers licence 

Or a digital certificate you carry on your smartphone 

[Island Time 807]

How does anyone know at the local supermarket if the person next to them has obeyed the rules?

The simple answer is you dont, and can't. 

Treat everyone as if they are infected, and as if you are.

Seems to me the surface contact infection is the least understood by most. Don't touch anything you don't have to when out, and wash your hands!

[Black Panther 752]

My estimate a out 40 to 50 full time liveaboards in the Auckland region 

[ex TL systems 59]

I would guess more than that but lots on moorings and not actually going out much. A boat on a mooring can be pretty cheap accommodation with not a lot of bills to pay. Much less expensive if you don’t need to keep it mobile.