ex Elly 247 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 4 hours ago, raz88 said: Particularly re Baltic, which I have, as the information on the Baltic website says that you should have it serviced each year by an authorized agent OR you can do it yourself. There has been discussion about Baltic servicing on crew.org previously. Their wording was ambiguous as to whether self-service was acceptable. Maybe they have updated the wording? Island Time knows more about this. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mischief 5 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 6 hours ago, raz88 said: Interested in where this info comes from? Particularly re Baltic, which I have, as the information on the Baltic website says that you should have it serviced each year by an authorized agent OR you can do it yourself. Is the above from ynz? Or just something collated from what you could find? copied and pasted from the YNZ website.... link here: https://www.yachtingnz.org.nz/news/service-requirements-inflatable-lifejackets Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raz88 97 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 I agree with psyche, but am concerned about category inspection or pre race safety inspections by clubs if the manufacturer specifies your lifejacket needs pro servicing and you've self serviced it. The baltic material is still ambiguous. Refers to the ability to self service but that they 'recommend' professional servicing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,763 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Get an old fashioned one, doesn't need servicing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 790 Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 15 hours ago, raz88 said: I agree with psyche, but am concerned about category inspection or pre race safety inspections by clubs if the manufacturer specifies your lifejacket needs pro servicing and you've self serviced it. The baltic material is still ambiguous. Refers to the ability to self service but that they 'recommend' professional servicing. They are trying to make it more complicated than what it is, Baltic is part of the EU rules and regs mentality- they sell to plenty of people who buy yachts like they would an appliance and get everything done by professionals because its convenient or they are not practical. Reading the blurb, you can absolutely self service their jackets, it would be market suicide for any manufacturer to stipulate return to base annually, if so then the resellers would need to stipulate it or there would be a giant warning label saying DANGER IF NOT SERVICED EVERY 12 MONTHS THIS DEVICE MAY NOT WORK... yeah right! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,763 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 https://www.practical-sailor.com/safety-seamanship/making-a-case-for-inherent-buoyancy?MailingID=921&sc=WIR20220814-SurvivalAtSea&st=email&utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=PFDs+for+Extreme+Events&utm_campaign=WIR20220814-SurvivalAtSea 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
twisty 176 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I have a Stormr Strykr jacket which I bought a few years ago. The idea is it uses 2mm neoprene with a fibrepile liner. The intention is that it is warm and also provides buoyancy. I think it's a great idea however the neoprene soaks up water which then leaks through. When I use it now I put a light raincoat on over it. https://stormrusa.com/product/new-strykr-jacket/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,102 Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Black Panther said: https://www.practical-sailor.com/safety-seamanship/making-a-case-for-inherent-buoyancy?MailingID=921&sc=WIR20220814-SurvivalAtSea&st=email&utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=PFDs+for+Extreme+Events&utm_campaign=WIR20220814-SurvivalAtSea Great article. Puts the pros and cons and (to my untrained eye) makes valid conclusions based on circumstances, usage type etc. Interesting point early on about using a fixed bouyancy jacket OVER an inflatable when doing a controlled evacuation. That make sense to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin McCready 83 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 I would never put anything over an inflatable. Imagine what happens to what you are wearing if the inflatable pops and inflates. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,102 Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Kevin McCready said: I would never put anything over an inflatable. Imagine what happens to what you are wearing if the inflatable pops and inflates. risk assessment. It's not put forward in the article as a complete and foolproof solution. Its put forward as a reasonable solution in specific conditions and considering all other hazards. Its your call Kevin - you can choose to do it or not do it. I just looked at it and thought "that's an approach I would not have considered." I'm guessing that if you are on your ear and taking on water in a howling onshore and 300m off a rocky beach, the question of what happens in the event that your manually activated jacket spontaneously inflates under your hastily donned hard jacket is somewhat academic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin McCready 83 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Not if the straps of the upper jacket means the inflatable prevents you breathing after it inflates, sorta like how an Anaconda kills you. Or you could literally bust a gut or strangle yourself. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CarpeDiem 521 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 A good article - thanks for the link BP. @aardvarkash10 I can't find any mention of wearing a fixed buoyancy vest over the top an inflatable vest? Is that what you meant? One of my sea survival course instructors drummed into me years ago, never wear anything over an inflatable, he had witnessed someone with a rain jacket over the top having to have their inflatable burst with a knife because they couldn't breath... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
raz88 97 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 My read of the article is that they're saying there may be circumstances where you'd favor a regular pfd over/instead of an inflatable. Not to literally wear an additional lifejacket over the top of an inflatable one... 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ex Machina 390 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 36 minutes ago, raz88 said: My read of the article is that they're saying there may be circumstances where you'd favor a regular pfd over/instead of an inflatable. Not to literally wear an additional lifejacket over the top of an inflatable one... Yeah that was my translation too ….they favour a foam pfd for going through the surf or a controlled abandon ship over an exploder . Damn the manufacturers need to come up with a dinghy/vest style PFD with 150NM or more , but I guess the cartridges are a good earner for them Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 790 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 47 minutes ago, Ex Machina said: Damn the manufacturers need to come up with a dinghy/vest style PFD with 150NM or more You cant get around physics, its all about volume in the right place. I had to wonder about the hypothetical situation described in the article where they advise putting on a wetsuit and fins prior to disembarking on a lee shore. Yeah right! 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,102 Posted August 18, 2022 Author Share Posted August 18, 2022 9 hours ago, CarpeDiem said: I can't find any mention of wearing a fixed buoyancy vest over the top an inflatable vest? Is that what you meant? It was what I meant but it wasn't what the article meant! The perils of speed reading between tasks. Thanks for raising my attention to it. @Kevin - perhaps I need some remedial communications training! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
waikiore 473 Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 I have stripped off clothes put on togs and swum ashore on a lee shore , it was too rough for dinghy, went back out to get all our gear off the boat on the mooring two days later -like a mill pond, which made it even sadder that some one had drowned in the stormy weather on a cat very close by without us knowing. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kevin McCready 83 Posted August 19, 2022 Share Posted August 19, 2022 LOL. All good. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,102 Posted October 5, 2022 Author Share Posted October 5, 2022 Update. We went down to SO for the pre summer pre seasonal clean up and took the new jackets down, brought the old jackets back. Note to everyone with inflatable life jackets. If you can't remember when you last serviced them, take 20 minutes in the next couple of weeks to do so. The images inform. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
harrytom 696 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Maritime NZ srtSnopodeh222gihh52830g23a03hgh41h37g7ufh7mf0hft1t8m46l85l1 · Product Safety Alert: Life Jacket Inflator Recall If you own a Hutchwilco manual inflatable life jacket or another brand with Halkey-Roberts 3F manual inflators, this is for you! A product safety recall has been issued for Halkey-Roberts 3F single-point manual inflators. These inflators are found in several life jacket models, including two popular Hutchwilco designs in New Zealand. What You Need to Know: • Why the recall? Safety concerns with the manual inflators. • What to do: Check your life jacket model and follow the recall instructions below. Visit this link to check if your lifejacket is affected and rectify: https://u13.hutchwilco.co.nz/recall” Find more details here: https://www.productsafety.govt.nz/.../halkey-roberts-3f... https://www.productsafety.govt.nz/.../hutchwilco-classic... 2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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