Caulerpa now in BOI

[Rangi1 51]

It’s be good to know which superyacht people are talking about. One of those that has been getting lots of media attention never anchors. Like has not anchored since it was launched. It stays in place through GPS and can even rotate to make sure the owners wake up with the morning sun coming in to their berth. Maybe the lynch mob doesn’t hold all the facts?

[K4309 270]

20 minutes ago, Rangi1 said:

It’s be good to know which superyacht people are talking about. One of those that has been getting lots of media attention never anchors. Like has not anchored since it was launched. It stays in place through GPS and can even rotate to make sure the owners wake up with the morning sun coming in to their berth. Maybe the lynch mob doesn’t hold all the facts?

Artifact.

Fully electric position holding

Artefact: On board Nobiskrug's striking 80m hybrid superyacht (boatinternational.com)

[K4309 270]

3 hours ago, Ex Machina said:

I can understand the locals who don’t rely on Auckland boats for a livelihood getting atagonistic and they are probably a majority . Your summer cruising plans being curtailed probably have as much importance to them as a new motorway connection in dannevirke .

I mean did you give a fig about surf tours plan the young bloke had who parked his IACC boat on your local reef ? From what I read  were way more concerned about your reef , sounds like you spoke to the media about it too . And that’s fine I would be more concerned about my neighbourhood reef as well .

The east side of barrier is pristine and I would lose my sh*t if a superyacht went over there , actually I am pissed off . They should’ve been made aware and if they were aware it’s arrogance in the extreme.  I don’t give a flying Beckett block about the whataboutism of the incompetence of the agencies involved , it’s easy to see the wood from the trees with a super yacht anchor potentially dropping that sh*t on the eastside .

It’s a highly emotive subject and I get my undies in a clove hitch over it at times . The slow response and flawed logic from the agencies involved is staggering but it’s unfair to lump in locals who are defending their local bio diversity from holiday makers .

Yes I understand people are very passionate about their environment, as am I. The point I was wanting to make (and seems to have been missed) is the high levels of disinformation and nonsense surrounding the caulerpa issue. Everyone getting all hot and bothered isn't going to lead to effective outcomes.

Referring to disinformation and nonsense is the example given in the RNZ story I posted and you quoted. The 'locals' complaining about a superyacht going into the exclusion zone, going around the east side, then heading up North, and inference being that no enforcement action was taken, and it was spreading caulerpa. The point being that superyachts are very large, visually notable, very easily identified, and can have the entire route tracked on free publicly websites (AIS). 

If said superyacht had committed an offence, I find it highly implausible that no-one did anything. Other than the the govt departments, Biosecurity NZ, Auckland Council etc, there are enough private citizens with enough nouce and motivation (i.e. you, and many others) to follow it up. Much the same way as many people here report fishing quota and poaching issues.

I simply find it implausible that a superyacht could break all the rules and no-one do anything about it. The logical explanation is it wasn't breaking any rules. Therefore, saying it was is just disinformation. Examples being that it didn't anchor, which is highly probably if it was the Artifact, with its all electric drive and GPS spot locking (wasn't it you that said you say it in Deep Water Cove parked up without anchoring?) or alternatively a different superyacht that had the requisite permits from Biosecurity NZ.

As for the IACC yacht that washed up, it wasn't a 'young surfer dude', he was a fair bit older than me. I went down there to offer assistance, as I did when the Kathleen (32ft Van de Stad) washed up on Stanmore Bay Beach, which resulted in me swimming my anchors out in the dark, in the storm, in the surf, to stop her smashing on the sea wall. Which worked by the way. IACC guy got his boat off very easily on the high tide with a jetski only. And to be honest when I offered assistance he was fairly rude. The thing that irritated me about that was the sh*t hopeless piece of 3 strand Bunnings cloths line he used to attach to the mooring buoy. Accident waiting to happen, which happened within 4 weeks of mooring there.

I understand you are using that as an example about passion of the environment. No one's motives are in question. But that is confusing the issues. With regard to said superyacht, unfounded or unproven allegations, especially in the media, aren't going to help, and are only going to serve to turn people with common interest (the environment) to turn those people on each other, instead of dealing with the problem at hand.

[Psyche 634]

Its a bit pessimistic but I dont think we can stop the natural spread, if at all, even with a massive increase in funding to remove it but that doesnt mean we should be careless. At some point people will have to accept that its here to stay and then we are all in management mode.

[harrytom 648]

4 hours ago, Psyche said:

even with a massive increase in funding to remove it 

Wheres this funding coming from? Hospitals have been told too save 80 million. Every service is being cut in NZ including bio security staff.

If antone thinks mpi/bio security are going to throw millions at this weed think again

[khayyam 77]

Hopefully there's still somewhere in the gulf we can anchor come next summer.

[Deep Purple 512]

Diver client of mine does ship cleaning out of Tauranga. Thats dried up as they are arriving cleaned and log market has collapsed

He has a contract coming up cleaning Caulerpa off the bottom around Kawau

[Lindsay 31]

Just passing Onetangi, where there’s about 20 boats anchored in the prohibited zone. Sheesh what’s wrong with these over-entitled people?

[K4309 270]

1 hour ago, Lindsay said:

Just passing Onetangi, where there’s about 20 boats anchored in the prohibited zone. Sheesh what’s wrong with these over-entitled people?

Cause it isn't a prohibited zone.

What is wrong with these people that can't get their facts straight?

[Lindsay 31]

1 hour ago, K4309 said:

Cause it isn't a prohibited zone.

What is wrong with these people that can't get their facts straight?

Ah! So let’s be picky then. A rahui requested by the local iwi. Therefore can be wantonly ignored because some boat owners don’t give a sh*t. 

https://www.ngatipaoaiwi.co.nz/media-release-caulerpa-2.html 

 

“To mitigate the spread of this invasive species, Ngāti Paoa is asking for cooperation from the local community, and the fishing & boating communities from further afield, to avoid disturbing the seabed and anchoring in these areas as it risks unwittingly aiding the dispersal of Caulerpa fragments, thereby exacerbating the problem.

A rāhui (restriction) on boats and other sea vessels will be laid on disturbing the seabed, or anchoring within 1 nautical mile (1.8 kilometres) of Thompson's Point or Onetangi bay, where the outbreak has been identified. This is to help prevent further proliferation.

It is crucial these precautionary measures are respected in order to curb the Caulerpa outbreak, and as Ngāti Paoa and the local Waiheke community work together to do everything possible to eradicate Caulerpa from Waiheke shores.”

 

[K4309 270]

3 minutes ago, Lindsay said:

Ah! So let’s be picky then. A rahui requested by the local iwi. Therefore can be wantonly ignored because some boat owners don’t give a sh*t. 

https://www.ngatipaoaiwi.co.nz/media-release-caulerpa-2.html 

fact

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   "he ignores some historical and economic facts"

 

Fact: It is not a prohibited area.

Prohibited Anchoring areas are defined by Controlled Area Notices as issued by MPI. Not by a group of locals.

The only prohibited anchoring areas in the Hauraki Gulf are on the Western side of Great Barrier. None are near Waiheke.

[Black Panther 1,592]

But why would you anchor there when you have been asked not to? 

[Guest 82]

14 hours ago, K4309 said:

Cause it isn't a prohibited zone.

What is wrong with these people that can't get their facts straight?

A technicality. Buck localism and see where that gets you.

I guess your aversion to caulapa and degradation of our ocean is, skin deep? Your personal autonomy is more important. 

I do support your thinking on the relevance of pleasure boat anchoring anchoring as a transmission vector now horse has bolted.

[K4309 270]

1 hour ago, Guest said:

A technicality. Buck localism and see where that gets you.

I guess your aversion to caulapa and degradation of our ocean is, skin deep? Your personal autonomy is more important. 

I do support your thinking on the relevance of pleasure boat anchoring anchoring as a transmission vector now horse has bolted.

It is not a technicality at all.

Rules are rules. Polite requests are polite requests. There is much angst on here about boaties complying with the rules. Boaties can't be expected to comply with the rules if there is great confusion and uncertainty about what the rules are.

Saying rules apply where they don't is 100% the best way to spread confusion and delay. Then, calling out boating for being "entitled wankers" when they are complying with the rules is simply ignorant.

As for your 'skin deep' call, that is marginal. I have not anchored anywhere there is caulerpa, regardless of CAN, rahui or just the fact there is caulerpa there. All I am doing, and all I've done previously on this thread, is ensure the actual rules are clearly communicated. I'm a little surprised you and others on here feel that warrants denigrating comments, but each to their own.

 

[K4309 270]

11 hours ago, Black Panther said:

But why would you anchor there when you have been asked not to? 

I wasn't anchored there. I haven't anchored anywhere there is caulerpa, regardless of a CAN, rahui or just caulerpa.

All I was doing was stating a fact, that area is not prohibited.

And calling out Lindsay's ignorance at calling boaties 'entitled' while they comply with the rules.

It is a personal choice if you acknowledge the rahui. Applying your own moral judgement to others personal choices is a slippery slope. Destiny Church and Drag Queen story-time is a good example of how things go bad when people try applying their own moral views on other's personal choices. Just saying.

[khayyam 77]

It's a tricky one. Why is under rahui but not under CAN? Not an ideal situation.

The opinion of locals, as opposed to actual government rules, is also a grey area. If the "locals" were some rich a****** with a mansion on the shore who didn't want to look at boats in "his" bay, we'd all (rightly) tell him to get stuffed.

That said, I probably will try not to anchor there. Mostly because it's not my favourite spot in any event though.

[Black Panther 1,592]

29 minutes ago, K4309 said:

I wasn't anchored there. I haven't anchored anywhere there is caulerpa, regardless of a CAN, rahui or just caulerpa.

All I was doing was stating a fact, that area is not prohibited.

And calling out Lindsay's ignorance at calling boaties 'entitled' while they comply with the rules.

It is a personal choice if you acknowledge the rahui. Applying your own moral judgement to others personal choices is a slippery slope. Destiny Church and Drag Queen story-time is a good example of how things go bad when people try applying their own moral views on other's personal choices. Just saying.

I'll reword it. Why would anyone anchor there when............

[harrytom 648]

Rahui is self imposed restriction with no authorised standing. CAN is a different matter.Must be adhered too. I was fishing yesterday in a area that has a Rahui and Yes took my limit of mussels,Why because MPI/Fisheries have called for an extension via public submissions. The Waiheke island Rahui of taking scallops(non take as per MPI) rock lobster,cockles,mussels etc that legal Rahui/MPI restriction ended last October.2023. Only in place for 2yrs

Funny part was.We were inspected by fisheries and counted our mussels as we were still inside the supposedly restricted area.No issue and they confirmed it has expired and submissions are being called for too extend.

[K4309 270]

42 minutes ago, Black Panther said:

I'll reword it. Why would anyone anchor there when............

I'm sure there are exceptions, but I understand deploying an anchor is popular among boaties when they want to go to sleep at night and don't want their boat to drift onto rocks, bang into other boats or drift way out to sea while they are asleep.

Some boats, mainly dedicated fishing boats, have GPS spot lock functionality. My understanding is that the battery power is typically insufficient to allow holding a position overnight. Noting the exception to this is the superyacht Artifiact, previously mentioned, that has some massive DC power system that does enable it to hold station without anchoring.

[K4309 270]

Jokes aside, when the rahui was announced, it was because caulerpa was found around Thomson Point. I'm not aware (and happy to be corrected) but caulerpa hasn't been found in Onetangi itself. It hadn't been at the time of rahui announcement.

The rahui also focuses on fishing activties, which is far more common around Thompson point, including anchoring in the spots where caulerpa has been found, and using bottom contact fishing gear.

Is it just that anchoring in Onetangi has been conflated by the rahui with anchoring for fishing purposes on Thompson Point?