Black Panther 1,672 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 2 hours ago, K4309 said: Translation: it won't help win olympic medals. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,672 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 It would be a bit unsettling if you were planning a departure next month - what are the rules? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
grant 44 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 From MNZ: Good afternoon, We are writing to let you know that changes to the administrative arrangements for assessing the adequacy of recreational craft departing for overseas will be coming into effect soon. Effective 1 July 2024, Maritime NZ will assume the administration and delivery of section 21 requirements following Yachting New Zealand's decision, after careful consideration, to return the delegation to Maritime NZ. Maritime NZ is committed to continuing the effective delivery of this work. Background As you will be aware, Section 21 of the Maritime Transport Act is designed to support the safe passage of recreational craft and their crew when departing for overseas, requiring the Director of Maritime NZ to be satisfied that the craft itself, the safety equipment it carries, and the crew, are all adequate for the intended voyage. For a number of years, the Director of Maritime NZ has delegated assessment of these matters to Yachting NZ and Yachting NZ appointed Inspectors, and has supported that function through the provision of Director Guidance on the craft adequacy assessment and, in some instances, specialist advice and support from our Maritime Officers. On 30 June 2024, the current five-year delegation with Yachting NZ expires. Yachting NZ has decided to return its delegation to Maritime NZ for this function. Maritime NZ acknowledges and thanks Yachting NZ and Yachting NZ Inspectors for their expertise, knowledge and work over the many years they have held the delegation to help ensure the safety of craft and their crew voyaging away from New Zealand shores. Maritime NZ and Yachting NZ are working together to prepare for the transition of this function, and are committed to ensuring it is managed well and communicated clearly to the sector. From 1 July 2024 Detailed information about the changes will be made available soon on the Maritime NZ and Yachting NZ’s websites, and through a range of other channels. Some key things to know at this time are: From 1 July 2024, if you want to take your recreational craft overseas you will need to apply to Maritime NZ for an International Voyage Certificate (Pleasure Craft) (previously, you applied for a CAT I Certificate through a Yachting NZ Inspector). There is not intended to be any significant change to the vessel, safety equipment or crew adequacy requirements. There is also not expected to be a significant change in the costs associated with these processes at this time (noting that all fees are subject to review over time). Skippers and crew will experience some changes in terms of the process and documentation to be completed, and the terminology used for some things, however these are not intended to be burdensome and will be well-signalled. Maritime NZ is confident the process from 1 July 2024 will be efficient and fit-for-purpose for those seeking assessment under the section 21 requirements. To help ensure this though, we will be asking applicants to carefully check and follow updated guidance and processes from Maritime NZ when these are available. Maritime NZ has set up a dedicated email for skippers, crew and other interested members of the sector to contact us directly with your questions and enquiries, which is now active. You can contact us at: RecreationalInternationalVoyage@maritimenz.govt.nz Club safety remains a key focus for Yachting New Zealand, which will continue to manage their Category 1-5 inspections for boats competing in yacht races. If you are participating in a yacht race overseas (and your craft’s voyage starts in New Zealand), you will still need to meet the requirements under Section 21, and apply for an International Voyage Certificate (Pleasure Craft). Maritime NZ will be continuing to engage with the sector as it implements the new process. As with all regulatory settings, it will keep the Section 21 regime under review when opportunities arise, to ensure it remains fit-for-purpose; again with input from the sector. We look forward to providing you with further updates and letting you know when more detailed information is available on our website. Your sincerely Maritime New Zealand Nō te rere moana Aotearoa W: maritimenz.govt.nz Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K4309 350 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Black Panther said: Translation: it won't help win olympic medals. Never a truer word spoken. How long has D. Abbercrombie been in that role now? at least 15 years? The only sporting body to ever be told by the arbitration panel they completely fucked up and were forced to nominate their own athletes. Had a selector who's son was via-ing for selection. Can't spell conflict of interest, or due process. A remarkable PR disaster running in the MSM. I am very interested why this would be announce 10 days before in comes into force. I suspect the cruising community that fund YNZ and all the non-dinghy racing clubs will have an outpouring of criticism for YNZ, and then absolutely nothing will change. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mattm 104 Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, grant said: and will be well-signalled. They come into force in 11 days. I’m not sure ‘well signalled’ is an available option anymore. 1 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 386 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 19 hours ago, Black Panther said: It would be a bit unsettling if you were planning a departure next month - what are the rules? I can do your cat 1 up until 30th June which is valid for 60 days Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oghood 5 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 19 hours ago, Jon said: I can do your cat 1 up until 30th June which is valid for 60 days Hi All, Here is my situation. I Live in Fiji. My boat lives in NZ. It has had CAT1 before and NZ Registration. I am coming to NZ to haul my boat and have CAT1 inspection on July 1 - July 8 and am leaving on the boat to Fiji after that. I have been planning this for months and had the inspector booked for July 1. I have been getting all the required stuff updated and spent the $ for me and my crew on that debate about hot soup which is the ASS Course. Now this change. My Inspector could possibly do the inspection before I arrive but in reality the boat won't be out of the water and also he has just told me he does not have any CAT 1 certificates left and would have to request some more. I am in a pickle. Do I trust MNZ will be able to do my inspection to the same standards and certify me to leave in my required 1 - 2 week timeframe? OR is there an inspector who can do my certificate before that date on the promise that Ill show them the boat out the water from July 1 - July 8. They can have the certificate dated before that date and only give it to me when they are satisfied? OR maybe an inspector on here with some certificates could kindly give one to my Inspector that has none up North? OR do I throw this NZ registration in the bin and go Poland? Whose Idea is it to change the system in the middle of a busy cruising season? Rather frustrating when I have been trying to do things by the book thus far. Cheers all, Olly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Black Panther 1,672 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 Sounds like you have two options. Have blind faith in MNZ. Or register offshore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aardvarkash10 1,056 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 I suspect MNZ have other priorities as of about 10pm yesterday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K4309 350 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 1 hour ago, aardvarkash10 said: I suspect MNZ have other priorities as of about 10pm yesterday. They don't actually do anything though do they? Don't they just sling sh*t at people that were doing something, after the fact? Isn't that why they are staffed with lawyers and not ex-sea captains? Can't wait for the Enchanter verdict. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 109 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 2 hours ago, Black Panther said: Sounds like you have two options. Have blind faith in MNZ. Or register offshore. $2.2K's worth of Blind faith What is the 2.2K actually fund? Why is it such a disproportionate amount compared with other countries.? Bet MNZ will try an enforce the legislation against NZ'ers registering offshore. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
oghood 5 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 2 hours ago, Black Panther said: Sounds like you have two options. Have blind faith in MNZ. Or register offshore. I am going to spend this weekend seeing what I need / attempting Polish registration. It's a shame but I am not a fan of dealing with MNZ and do not think I would be able to have it all work out on schedule. I have completed Australian Skippers and Engineers tickets in the past instead of doing NZ ones for the mere fact that MNZ was making it difficult for me. And now this hahah what a way to push people away from the system. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 709 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 5 hours ago, aardvarkash10 said: I suspect MNZ have other priorities as of about 10pm yesterday. Unfortunately it was inside the environment 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Psyche 709 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 3 hours ago, oghood said: I am going to spend this weekend seeing what I need / attempting Polish registration. It's a shame but I am not a fan of dealing with MNZ and do not think I would be able to have it all work out on schedule. I have completed Australian Skippers and Engineers tickets in the past instead of doing NZ ones for the mere fact that MNZ was making it difficult for me. And now this hahah what a way to push people away from the system. The friend who did the Polish rego said it was very simple, and the reason he went that route was he saw no value from the time and cost of the bureaucratic aspect of the process because he has done cat 1 before multiple times and is very experienced offshore. He also spent most of the last year methodically checking and upgrading all the systems on the boat. It wasnt about taking a safety shortcut. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Guest 109 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 I will be following the (old) cat 1 check list but damned if I want to pay MNZ for the virtual colonoscopy. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 386 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 Ok, small up date as we don’t know much yet but this much I do know If Olly’s boat was closer I could start the process on the 30th and he would have 60 days or could get 30 day extensions o top of that As of 1st July I lose both my delegation to issue Cat 1’s and my ability to issue Cat 2 and 3 certs The New process will be something like the following MNZ will call for applications for new positions of VAA (vessel assessment advisor) some of these will probably be ex YNZ inspectors ‘YNZ will also ask current inspectors to reapply as cat 2,3 inspectors (however they are expecting less than there are currently). This will run under basically the old system of owners contact an inspector off the list and paying them and they pre buy certs from YNZ As for Cat 1 those wanting to take their recreational craft overseas will apply to Maritime NZ for an International Voyage Certificate (Pleasure Craft) This will need to include experience, qualifications, drills, vessel history etc. The cost of this hasn’t been set however they say it will be similar to current costs MNZ will then appoint a VAA to check details and do assessment plus some time for advising, they will be casual employees of MNZ and get paid and indemnified by them I’d say if your going this season get your inspection done this week as I’m not confident YNZ or MNZ aren’t making this up as they go along, however it’s based on the commercial system Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Zozza 319 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 I see this becoming even more of a bureaucratic balls up than it already is - I will be going for UK reg, as a Commonwealth citizen it is doable for Part A UK, and probably helps that my old girl was registered there originally. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K4309 350 Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 From a bystander point of view, is the fee for a Cat 1 cert $2,200? and the cost of registering in Poland $395 euro? So it is cheaper outright to register offshore, and then you don't need to spend all the other boat dollars on items Cat 1 require but you don't want or need? Simplistic approach I know, but certainly makes the offshore registration the path of least resistance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 386 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 Fee for Cat one varying from $300 to $400 ynz get $115 of that 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jon 386 Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 I charge a small fee on top if a first timer wants me to walk them through the prep which includes a preliminary look over the vessel Usually works out to between $30/$40 per hour, sometimes less for the whole process and usually I can save them more with ideas that I’ve pick up from either doing myself or from others that I’ve inspected 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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