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Normal rules say not more than 5knots within 50m of another craft. There is an exemption if BOTH boats are racing.

One of my friends has given up racing after an experienced sailer left the dip late and a gust hit, crew didn't ease and T boned the boat. Friend nearly lost the boat and still pissed that he lost a summer's sailing.

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I always find it interesting when a person complains about the actions of others, yet may themselves be undertaking activities that are not compliant with rules or requirements. Sometimes it is a matt

If this thread was my visit to crew.org I would not come back.

Harbour Master is one of the worst driven vessels I’ve ever seen both in terms of behaviour and attitude. They once tried to ticket me after a close encounter at 30+ kts when they failed to give way t

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Normal rules say not more than 5knots within 50m of another craft. There is an exemption if BOTH boats are racing.

One of my friends has given up racing after an experienced sailer left the dip late and a gust hit, crew didn't ease and T boned the boat. Friend nearly lost the boat and still pissed that he lost a summer's sailing.

 

Thanks Theseus.

They were doing way, way, over five knots.

And no, i wasn't racing, and I had right of way,  but was doing my best to keep to the edge of the 'fleet' that were racing.

 

And yes being T-boned was my fear, especially if we both panicked at the same time and misread each others attempts to avoid a collision...so right or wrongly I just sat there dumbfounded and voiced my concern that they please not hit me.

 

Anyway, some people made some good points in this thread, some talked a load of the brown stuff, but thank you for defining what I thought was the actual case.

I have nothing against racers, even though I got fired up at one guys responses. 

Then again, they were kids and I think they got as much of a fright as me.  Maybe they just expected me to start my engine and get my old tub outa the way even if I had right of way.

 

We live and learn.

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Theseus has it right. This is a Colregs issue, it has NOTHING to do with RRS.

5 knots within 50m, burdened vessel to take action clearly and early. If there had been a collision, both skippers would have had proportional responsibility.

Those of you who say it's a matter of perspective or comfort are completely wrong! As a skipper its your responsibility to know the rules, and you are responsible. If you are not completely sure of the rules in this case PLEASE go do some training.

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Oh, and near misses as well as accidents should be reported to the harbourmaster. The kids on the other boat need to be spoken to and informed of their responsibilities, plus the yacht club informed.

It is kind of scary how many out there are oblivious to their responsibilities.

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Quite right, it is a colregs issue. Nobody is saying it's rrs.

 

Original post doesn't mention an issue with speed, and confirmed that the give way boat altered course as required. There's no requirement under colregs for them to give way to the other boat by a specific amount.

 

 

I was on starboard tack and had right of way, bunch of kids in something that looked like one of these approached on a T-bone course on port tack, and from a few hundred metres away it was plain they had to change course to miss slamming into me.

They altered course just enough - missed me aft by maybe three feet if I am being generous. So close I could have reached over and swapped early Xmas cards...just crazy stuff.

 

 

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You all seem to forget that if you want to pass another vessel, you are legally restricted to 5 knots within 50m.

 

So slow down, make your intentions obvious, or stay fast and stay 50m away. This is not optional. 

 

The colregs are not specific about distance, as they apply to all vessels, and 50m from a ship is WAY too close. Many ships have SOPs that 1 mile is too close in open waters, and considerably less in confined or busy waters...

 

In this case the speed was to high, they did not make their intentions clear, and they passed way to close to a vessel not racing.

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The harbour is only getting narrower, more boats and faster. 50m is silly and not possible to enforce.

 

Saturday afternoons, Wedesday night races and Coastal Classic start are days that there are large fleets of racing boats and its only been a good wind this saturday. That is less than 1% of the time the harbour is used predominatly for racing the rest of the time its cruising boats and ferrys.

 

Ferrys have been very obliging and I would buy them a drink any time.

 

Some of these large displacement, trying to plane launches are not nice.

 

A multihull is more likely to dip a boat, often we signall to cruisers not to tack because dipping does not loose us a lot of VMG and we try and be nice. I think Multihull sailors are misunderstood a little.

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