SailGP

[harrytom 671]

Almost guarantee the Sail GP would of happened in Auckland if DALTON didnt give Auckland the big finger and bugger off to Spain

[mattm 104]

4 hours ago, harrytom said:

Almost guarantee the Sail GP would of happened in Auckland if DALTON didnt give Auckland the big finger and bugger off to Spain

You must be joking? I assume he must have taken a massive dump that blocked and broke the poo pipe too?

[harrytom 671]

2 hours ago, mattm said:

You must be joking? I assume he must have taken a massive dump that blocked and broke the poo pipe too?

No not at all.Why would council want to proved space/stop shipping for a weekend and a few $$ in local coffers compared to what the AC brings in over a few months??

[Addem 118]

The point is they would have got fees and the disruption to shipping would be Nil. Ferries affected would only be brikenhead and hobsonville. 

They will have worked all that out and don't forget they are only 15 minute races. 

Sydney manage to do it smack in the middle of their ferry lanes which arr crazy busy compared to Ak. 

I recall Extreme Series in St Petersberg waiting for ships to clear the course several times. 

[waikiore 438]

No shipping disruption, possible hold ups for Sealink car ferry that is all, there is talk of a legal challenge over the tank farm land maybe this is the issue as the other Panuku excuses simply do not hold water.

[Psyche 709]

To me SailGP was a no brainer, it has everything you could ask for in terms of a sporting spectacle for "the city of sails". There are plenty of places to view the course from, it wouldn't take much in the way of creativity to make it happen. 

[Bad Kitty 281]

1 hour ago, Psyche said:

To me SailGP was a no brainer, it has everything you could ask for in terms of a sporting spectacle for "the city of sails". There are plenty of places to view the course from, it wouldn't take much in the way of creativity to make it happen. 

And there's the issue, "creativity" Or effort, or just giving a sh*t.

 

[Jon 391]

Maybe the council could have put up some signs as follows 

Don't Drink the Harbour Water (it’s most likely contaminated with human effluent)

Don’t Eat the soil under the grandstand (it’s most likely contaminated with petrochemicals)

 

[waikiore 438]

Funnily enough 80% of that effluent was diverted to the new outlet directly under the proposed grandstands, I have seen the footage that the council did not want let out, and it is still seeping out there.

[K4309 350]

10 hours ago, Addem said:

The point is they would have got fees and the disruption to shipping would be Nil. Ferries affected would only be brikenhead and hobsonville. 

 

Don't forget they have permanently cancelled the Birkenhead ferry due to lack of skippers. That is in addition to several other ferry routes either permanently cancelled or dramatically reduced frequency, including Gulf Harbour, all due to lack of skippers.

So saying SailGP would have disrupted the ferries is a nonsense. The ferries are disrupted anyway.

I think the problem is BP still own that land, and Council are trying to roger BP over the clean-up / decon. I suspect BP are just saying 'right back at you Auckland Council. I think it is a 'behind closed doors' pissing match between BP and Council, and SailGP is just collateral damage.

I have had colleagues working on techo-legal aspects of the decontamination waayy back in the mid 2010's. 

[mattm 104]

On 24/11/2023 at 12:08 PM, Psyche said:

 There are plenty of places to view the course from,

I think that might have been part of the problem. Sail GP want every seat with a view to pay an admission fee for a seat in a grandstand or more $$ spot. There are too many places in the harbour to view for free from. 
Think that’s why Lyttelton worked so well for Sgp. The council, I assume agreed, to the tunnel being closed to nearly all but locals, so to get out there you took a SGP provided bus to the SGP provided viewing area. 

[Addem 118]

21 hours ago, mattm said:

I think that might have been part of the problem. Sail GP want every seat with a view to pay an admission fee for a seat in a grandstand or more $$ spot. There are too many places in the harbour to view for free from. 
Think that’s why Lyttelton worked so well for Sgp. The council, I assume agreed, to the tunnel being closed to nearly all but locals, so to get out there you took a SGP provided bus to the SGP provided viewing area. 

I understood this too. Northcote point was to be closed. 

You also have to pay moonbeams for a flag to be able to anchor in tbe boat area. The Sydney ones are $1500 

[K4309 350]

39 minutes ago, Addem said:

I understood this too. Northcote point was to be closed. 

You also have to pay moonbeams for a flag to be able to anchor in tbe boat area. The Sydney ones are $1500 

Wow. That brings about some civil liberty issues. Going around closing every public space around the harbour for a private commercial event is not on.

I've no problem paying good money to sit in the grandstands with good views of the racing, but stopping Wilfred and Wilma having a picnic (or some other completely unrelated recreation) on the reserve on the same day as the racing is not on.

Not to mention the logistical issues too.

[southernman 73]

23 hours ago, mattm said:

I think that might have been part of the problem. Sail GP want every seat with a view to pay an admission fee for a seat in a grandstand or more $$ spot. There are too many places in the harbour to view for free from. 
Think that’s why Lyttelton worked so well for Sgp. The council, I assume agreed, to the tunnel being closed to nearly all but locals, so to get out there you took a SGP provided bus to the SGP provided viewing area. 

Nah, the tunnel was closed and public transport provided in order to control flow of traffic.  Lyttelton is a small town and parking that many cars would be a nightmare.  Also plenty of places to view sail GP in Lyttelton without paying. 

[mattm 104]

1 hour ago, southernman said:

Nah, the tunnel was closed and public transport provided in order to control flow of traffic.  Lyttelton is a small town and parking that many cars would be a nightmare.  Also plenty of places to view sail GP in Lyttelton without paying. 

Yeah, agreed. No way everyone driving themselves would have worked, but isn’t that my point? SGP all but got control of the  town. Lyttleton’s maybe never he so many people, bar maybe cruise ships, but the main street was dead. 
There was no where free to get up close. The other side of the harbour, sumner road or in houses up the hill, long way away. 
 

I don’t think Auckland would be so flexible to allow sgp such control of numerous areas. Take over part of Silo park, half the car park on the northern side of westhaven for grandstands (sorry about the parking boat owners), means closing the marina during races in an attempt to put the action in an area they can control/sell access to. 

[waikiore 438]

The Westhaven side was sorted, they were not going to close Bayswater / Northcote I dont know where these made up tales are originating?? Plenty watched in Lyttelton from their houses and the surrounding hills.

[Romany 162]

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story, but lets not forget this is all about the back pockets of a few. If I could be arsed, I'd rather watch it on tele in any case.

Each to their own.

 

[waikiore 438]

The silence is a worry for the NZ round ... and European Media saying the NZ round is cancelled ??? 

[southernman 73]

On 27/11/2023 at 10:18 PM, mattm said:

Yeah, agreed. No way everyone driving themselves would have worked, but isn’t that my point? SGP all but got control of the  town. Lyttleton’s maybe never he so many people, bar maybe cruise ships, but the main street was dead. 
There was no where free to get up close. The other side of the harbour, sumner road or in houses up the hill, long way away. 
 

I don’t think Auckland would be so flexible to allow sgp such control of numerous areas. Take over part of Silo park, half the car park on the northern side of westhaven for grandstands (sorry about the parking boat owners), means closing the marina during races in an attempt to put the action in an area they can control/sell access to. 

Yeah true that.  Actually the other side around Diamond Harbour was actually really close.  Great views also, just a 30 minute drive which by Auckland standards not far.  

 

 

[Ex Machina 383]

On 30/11/2023 at 6:09 AM, southernman said:

Yeah true that.  Actually the other side around Diamond Harbour was actually really close.  Great views also, just a 30 minute drive which by Auckland standards not far.  

 

 

Yeah that’s only about  5Ks travelled on a good day