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Many of you here will remember Rigger from this forum. Rigger worked as a tug boat captain at port of Tauranga. He sadly passed away last year from Parkinson's Disease. A new pilot boat has been named the Troy Evans, in honor of Rigger. It arrived today in Nelson from Melbourne, on route to Tauranga. I thought it was a nice acknowledgement of Rigger, naming the new boat after him, and that you would like to know.25 points
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I spoke to a specialist on this at the Boat Show today. He is AC's Biosecurity guy. Incidentally he was the guy that kicked off the issues with needing to keep The Landing open to provide biosecurity capability. He couldn't say anything on that as he's been gagged. I shook his hand anyway. I challenged him on how it got here and the allegation that yachts spread it. He believes it is most likely that it got into NZ as an aquarium plant. It is very popular in aquariums as the fish don't eat it. On shipping, he says that is unlikely, as ballast water is now filtered, both on intake and disc7 points
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there are a couple of images in the Photo galley... but here is another couple taken a few years ago by the builder.5 points
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I am not an expert in the "how" I am simply reporting my experience which I suspect is not too different to many peoples. I dont read NZ Geographic, no volunteer handed me a pamphlet, I dont read fishing mags and as far as Stuff and Herald- well the quality of the content is so abysmal that I skip through the headlines so for "consumers" of digital product like me there's a problem. Pretty easy to miss online and poof it disappears into the black hole of the net. I am not saying that there is no effort, but thats its not effective. How about on nowcasting instead of annoying garbage for4 points
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AYBA has been fighting this since the beginning. Plenty submitted against it but were they all counted? Yes the give a little page is low for what we need, glad that makes some happy and perhaps its the constant negative comments that don't help either. We have also received support from many direct into the AYBA account, but are still short. The council needs money, so it shuts down a business that was giving it an income and now has to come up with funds to pay a third party for security, ramp cleaning, pontoon maintenance (already parts missing), fresh water costs (although4 points
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Its normal to overreact and be fearful of what we don't understand. Caulerpa is here to stay probably, over time nature will have its way and it will fit into the ecosystem. My observation is that we operate under this paradigm that NZ was paradise before humans came along and interfered and that paradise must be restored by limiting human impact so everything can return to "balance". I dont buy it, nature is brutal and things change all the time and in this case the arrival of new aquatic plant. Best thing is an education campaign to limit the spread and raise awareness. If its really that b3 points
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The spread, to so many destinations, to me makes it look like the weather and tides moved it, not a boat....3 points
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I watched it. Pretty lightweight, and basically blaming boat traffic for the spread of most of the issues. Virtually No discussion at all about effectiveness of antifouling, hull cleaning facilities, tidal drift, storm flotsam, or any other means of transmission. The next one may contain some of that... If we do not get involved in this, then more costs are going to be levied on us, as we are, as they say in the video above, "low hanging fruit" and an easy target. There was no scientific evidence given of transport vectors for the pests, it was taken as given it's the boats.3 points
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Did she mean she has been listening to the Akaranas plans and vision for the hardstand.3 points
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https://www.cruisemapper.com/ports/great-barrier-island-nz-port-5496 Great Barrier Island is located in outer Hauraki Gulf, New Zealand, approx 100 km (60 mi) northeast of Auckland. The Island covers a total area of 285 km2 (110 mi2), ranking it New Zealand's 6th-largest. Its highest elevation point (Mt Hobson) is 621 m (2037 ft) above sea level. Cruise ships to Great Barrier Island dock/anchor at Tryphena - a port town on the southwestern coast. So there would be a possibilty this is where it came from pre 2022?3 points
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But nothing on the impact of recreational boating on its ability to spread, nothing on what they hope to achieve and nothing on how to achieve that or how they would measure success. Plus a little information on progress to date would be nice. Oh yeah, let's chuck in at least some kind of response to questions about shitty antifouling and closing slipways.3 points
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He said it would likely have come to the Bay of Islands in a boat anchor well. Great Barrier Island is only 100km from the Bay of Islands by sea and caulerpa is spread more so by boat anchors than hulls. somebody tell this guy about the last 6 months of southeasterly gales.3 points
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It has been leaking slowly for many years, I believe it is a matter of when, not if or maybe. It should be a national govt. matter not an NRC one. Look at the Rena cleanup costs and Treble or Quadruple it and you might be closer to the money involved if / when it breaks up.2 points
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If only we could get all our boating clubs to join together in some sort of Federation...2 points
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Guess as much as you like! We will never know! Though I think it well suits the Bureaucrats to blame yachties, we are a reasonably widely dispersed group, without a voice, or organisation, who would put their head above the breakwater to speak on our behalf.!!2 points
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You guys will soon figure out I am one of those... "Oh, that reminds me" kind of guys A number of years back I am at the yard of a Swedish water jet manufacturer.... I took with me a couple of NZ jet boating videos, sprinting and river racing for a show and tell... One of my hosts said they had a jet boat that does 45 kts, they will take me out on Saturday... Saturday came and we walk down a jetty and stop at this big heavy timber planked boat about 35 odd feet... .45kts? Not in a month of Sundays. Cock pit cover removed and stowed, battery isolator on, ignition on then my host depr2 points
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pretty sure water moves around a lot more than boats......... Make the water pay2 points
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Yeah sorry guys I may have brought it back from the Yangtze River when I did the Asia trailer yacht champs2 points
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Thats a different site from that which I am referring, that is the old one we have always towed to.2 points
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I am not suggesting for a moment that your unnamed gagged experts opinion is impossible as others have pointed out strange things happen. You asked "what basis do I have". And after giving you my basis you proceed to hurl abuse. I think his opinion is unlikely for the reasons I have given. At no point did I say it's not used. Just not widely used. If you live on Great Barrier and are going to import an illegal aquarium plant you're probably going to import the most popular which is of course Aquarium Caulerpa. Snapper aren't widely seen in home Aquarium's either. Bu2 points
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The bottom line is it's here. How it got here and where it came from is academic. MPI have spent 100's of thousands officially reaching the conclusion, that with the technology available today, NZ can't get rid of it and we're now in containment mode. It's known to be easily spread on boat anchors, chains and fishing gear. This is also how it was spread in the Med.2 points
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Cruise Ships, Freighters, Fish Tank nerds.... take your pick or probably all three are responsible. It's here and it 'aint going away.2 points
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Good grief, is that how you react when you see an opinion you disagree with? Attacking the person, linking their view with fringe lunatics, but not actually stating what you disagree with and why? Kate Hannah much? Seeing as you went there, first. Please forgive me, but aren't you supposed to exchange views on a forum, or, as a moderator, is it your own little fiefdom to run down any opinion you disagree with? Now, lets go over your actual points: 1) I never said private enterprise would do it better. You made that up. I said that if a bureaucrat was in industry, they wou2 points
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It's not clear if you're claimimg that you (a) want to be educated and (b) cannot find information to educate yourself? Or that you are just content remaining uneducated. There's a plethora of information available on the damage that Caulerpa has done to regions around the world. Even to the extent that local fish species have become poisonous to humans because the fish have built immunity to the toxin and store it in their flesh. Someone in this thread suggested how great it would be if we could work out how to get Snapper to eat it. I think you'd find it's quite the opposite2 points
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I would still like evidence that we're a problem, and that the steps being taken have at least a probability of working. To do that they would have to define working.2 points
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this runs at the level of paranoia seen in various other conspiracy theories. You'll be burning effagies on the steps of Parliament next. Commercial shipping and others can be addressed directly - its a pretty small group, easily identified and well controlled. Recreational boats, not so much. The various statements from Regional Councils, MPI etc to "boaties" (a broad church that covers everyone from the owner of a 4m tinny to the Gin Palace brigade) are communications to the largest un-unified group. That group is largely ignorant of the biology, the risks and the methods of con2 points
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+1 for putting in a mesh bag or pillow case first. I didn't.... now the wife has a lovely new washing machine and I'm a boat dollar short of where I was could've replaced half my lines for the same cost2 points
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I have used meranti and okoume on dinghy builds. I understand the meranti is stronger, but the stuff I used had quite a rough grain/less smooth face than the okoume. It is quite a bit heavier too. but of course, cheaper! Im a bit of a weight nazi on boats, so Id use Okoume, for weight, and nicer finish I have the opposite problem of you, my boat has NO wood and and I want to keep it that way. so foam, glass, carbon, and white paint for me...2 points
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You can get zinc enamel spray paints that would be an good application here. Far easier and cheaper than doing a re-galv. If it is only sitting in a locker it will work fine. Will stop it rusting. As soon as it drags through some sand and shell the zinc paint will come off, but if it is your spare, you can worry about that then. Will stop it rusting in a locker.2 points
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This race thread is very strange...I came for a look still have know idea what its all about But way back there was the Sydney to Taranaki Two handed in the mid eighties ...that got hit by Cyclone Bola and was a feeder for the Singlehanded Taranaki to Mooloolahba... Then later there was the Sydney to Auckland.... NZd is a great travel destination for any sailors but maybe Im barking up the wrong tree that know one can articulate any emotive story about Doing the Ditch and the Cruising Grounds that await. I was a subscription holder of NZ Boating from the eightys till now2 points
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Something to watch as the weather heaven's swamp much of the North Island yet again2 points
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"where has the RAYC gone" Are we serious, perhaps you should do some research such as why the areas set aside for boat storage are now a restaurant and restaurant storage. Maybe that's why the RAYC wants some boat storage now.2 points
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So now you're saying its nothing to do with Council responding to the weather, and its because the Council is broke? Not the most compelling of arguements when they fall over immediately. It wont cost Council anything to reinstate the hardstand. They don't have to fund it. Funding all the Matariki / Dewali / Pride celebrations costs the Council dollars, that is why we are broke. The hardstand was always self funding. It is the service that is required for biosecurity. Again, the Council's obligations under the Biosecurity Legislation don't stop , same as the Council's obligations don2 points
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You cant better city hall,ever protested a race committee and won! When Legasea/option4 went before the supreme court over recreational Kahawai , cost roughly 1 mill,3 court appreances ,a win ,a lose and might say a draw,the outcome was.The minister shall provide catch rates ahead of commercial when species become low in biomass. (rough translation) so expect to spend more than that to bet council2 points
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This was just the precursor to the main Judicial Review. This round was to try and get an Interim Relief to keep the hardstand operating till the main court case scheduled in September. The Council Biosecurity expert said there was no risk to Biosecurity by closing the Landing till the main Court case, even though her team had written a memo to the Orakei Local Board saying permanently closing the Hardstand was a Biosecurity risk. That combined with the actual court case not that far away, the judge considered there was not merit in forcing Council to keep the Hardstand open over winte2 points
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Given that the Regional councils charge us for using "their" waters (mooring fees, beacons, and can even stipulate the contractors you must use for mooring inspections perhaps we should be sending them a bill for not keeping "their" waters free of unwanted organisms.2 points
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It appears that Akarana have pinched this one off the Squadron, I guess they need some yacht racing with their proud history in tatters after this hardstand debacle , come on the RNZYS welcome the emmies back and consign Akkers to the history books.2 points
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Absolutely Steve, The Barrier locals report seeing it there 5 years ago, they just didn't know what it was. Didn't sound like it had made any noticeable impact over that time in terms of the ecosystem collapsing. It was only 'discovered' there because a biologist was on holiday and put it on iNaturist, of which is posted to 6,000 times before (i.e. its his thing). It was only 'discovered' in Rawhiti because Iwi individuals started doing patrols for it. By the shear number of locations found, it has clearly been there for a while. It wasn't transported on a single boat anchor in March1 point
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Bit of a contradiction there by MPI, if it can drift on currents then currents may take it to Coromandel and beyond surely. How did it get to Barrier, if it was via yacht then we would expect have some sightings at one of of the popular mooring areas.1 point